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| StormBlast |
Posted - 19/01/2012 : 12:24:14
Press launch of it was yesterday. Time to sell all of my belongings I guess... |
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| rockdrummerzero |
Posted - 10/02/2012 : 19:46:27
Very kind ta  |
| Diamond Drums |
Posted - 10/02/2012 : 19:00:03
Most welcome ...
BTW - your music is good. |
| rockdrummerzero |
Posted - 10/02/2012 : 11:09:06
Dave, yes you are right that it what I was trying to say.
I would love to try your TD30 by the way, thanks for the offer. |
| Diamond Drums |
Posted - 10/02/2012 : 10:25:32
What you actually said was "on an electronic drum you DO NOT hear the drum head/mesh/trigger impact sound"
You forgot to add the words "through the module output"
I do hear the impact sound from an e drum but of course not through the module output. Only the effect from the hit is heard.
That ambient impact noise is also not heard much when wearing headphones (unless they are the cheap ones)
Actual Fender string vibe(vibe is sound)is heard through the amp.
Hope we cleared it up ...
Right, so when ya getting the TD30 ? it's Supernatural you know
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| rockdrummerzero |
Posted - 10/02/2012 : 08:11:06
Dear Moose, 100%, I will say it again, 100% of the sound output from a drum module IS created from scratch WITHIN the module, try attaching a Piezo to a kitchen table, hit it, trigger the drum module, tell the module to play a snare sound. You will hear a Snare sound from the output, not an amplified kitchen table sound.... You are JUST triggering the sound from the table/piezo.
Now mic up the kitchen table with a mic of your choice, plug the mic into your guitar amp, you will hear a kitchen table being amplified...
Need to move on now, losing the will to live...
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| moosetication |
Posted - 10/02/2012 : 01:30:47
quote:
Originally posted by rockdrummerzero
Cheers Moose, I was just trying to explain to Dave that there is NO pad/trigger sound coming out from the module/brain output, any sound exiting the module is generated IN the module, which of course is the complete opposite of what happens to a guitar string sound using an amplifier to amplify the strings sound. This IS correct.
No, it isn't. An electric guitar pickup uses electromagnetic induction. You are not amplifying the sound made by the string. The fact that you can hear the sound made by the vibrating string is wholly secondary. This is exactly the same as the sound you hear when striking a mesh head (particularly if there's a properly tuned full reso head on the drum), which is also secondary to the vibration detected by the piezo trigger. |
| rockdrummerzero |
Posted - 10/02/2012 : 00:57:55
Cheers Moose, I was just trying to explain to Dave that there is NO pad/trigger sound coming out from the module/brain output, any sound exiting the module is generated IN the module, which of course is the complete opposite of what happens to a guitar string sound using an amplifier to amplify the strings sound. This IS correct.
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| moosetication |
Posted - 09/02/2012 : 11:20:24
quote:
Originally posted by rockdrummerzero
...think of the pad/trigger as a switch, that is all...
Very misleading over-simplification (or, in short, wrong). The signal from a piezo trigger is a microphonic waveform, not a stepped voltage from a switch. The TMC is capable of deriving a great deal of information from the microphonic (depending on the capabilities of the TMC). |
| Diamond Drums |
Posted - 09/02/2012 : 10:41:12
Calm down dear, have a cup of tea
You can hear the impact noise of Vdrums, it goes "thwack" and you can even tune mesh heads to a pitch, hence why they are also used as standalone practise heads on A kits.
I don't really see piezos as a classic switch, they are really sensors that transfer vibes and pressure to an electrical current.
I don't expect everyone to use electronic drums. Just those who are passionate about technology, seek a controllable noise level environment and who adore drums with the smell of freshly laundered linen.
Looking forward to any new advancements to heighten our e experience.
Sounds like you have gone full circle and now returned to your drum roots with Acoustic drums.
That's nice dear and never frowned upon.
You are welcome to come and try out my TD30 when it lands if curiosity grips you
D
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| rockdrummerzero |
Posted - 09/02/2012 : 00:22:35
quote:
Originally posted by Diamond Drums
Fender electric guitar only makes a small sound, string vibration is transferred via the pickups and amplified in the amp.
If you hit an electronic drum it makes a noise of sorts, the vibration of the noise is tranferred to the module that creates the sound. Not too dissimilar?
Erm, you are wrong on this, with an electric guitar you DO hear the string sound, on an electronic drum you DO NOT hear the drum head/mesh/trigger impact sound, think of the pad/trigger as a switch, that is all, some triggers will also send positional info on where the head was hit, this is important, you need to know this
An acoustic guitar would be a better comparison to acoustic drums but then if you are banging away on your acoustic drums and you are such a purist then the acoustic instruments can not be heard because mikes on guitar are more technology 
No prob with technology Dave, really, got a load of it in the studio here, acoustic, electronic, digital and analogue, no hang ups here, honest 
You can advise that all digital effects pedals not be used and hey! how about playing by candlelight?
Quite like candlelight as it happens
Electronic drummers are gaining ground very fast and Roland are the biggest selling company on the planet.
You really are suggesting that you expect everyone to play electronic drums all the time aren't you..
I meet many drummers now who are refused gigs unless they are digital drummers.
Well for those gigs use electronic, duh
So i can imagine them adhering to your suggestion of playing a Roland SPDS, sitting on a little stool whilst doing a gig with a heavy metal band.
But that is what they need to do, to get that gig, according to your last statement, simple, stool size is not that important tho'
Of course they want a kit that fills the footprint.
Yes, well they can buy those electronic kits which try to look like real drums, I guess
You guys should move with the times and embrace technology
But some of us have been there and come back, honest
Many top acoustic drummers use triggers now.
Yup, even not top drummers like me ! great for bassdrum enhancement
and finally last point is ...
Acoustic drums are smelly, need constant tuning and are too LOUD ... 
OK you have a valid point here
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| jimfisher |
Posted - 08/02/2012 : 13:24:48
Kudos to Craig, what a well thought-out and sincere reply. Makes me want to get back on my electronic kit!
J. |
| rockdrummerzero |
Posted - 08/02/2012 : 13:09:18
quote:
Originally posted by Diamond Drums
quote:
Originally posted by rockdrummerzero
Craig, firstly cheers for the detailed and honest post.
I guess I was asking a loaded question, because of the constant hype surrounding Electronic Drums in general and Roland V-Drums in particular, in fact any brand of 'Virtual Drums' needs to be marketed to the strengths of the its own technology, and not try quite so hard as to present itself as a total alternative to 'Actual Drums'.
Many thanks and respect for your candid and open response, thanks Craig.
Yes Gareth, you hijacked the thread about the TD30 and tangented with your own debate about E drums V acoustic drums. Could have started a separate thread?
Then asked a very unfair question to Craig (forced his hand)
Now you reply with a nice answer.
I really think you killed this thread
Nice one
Dave
Calm down dear 
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| StormBlast |
Posted - 08/02/2012 : 11:55:55
*mourns over my now deceased thread*
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| Diamond Drums |
Posted - 08/02/2012 : 11:29:16
quote:
Originally posted by rockdrummerzero
Craig, firstly cheers for the detailed and honest post.
I guess I was asking a loaded question, because of the constant hype surrounding Electronic Drums in general and Roland V-Drums in particular, in fact any brand of 'Virtual Drums' needs to be marketed to the strengths of the its own technology, and not try quite so hard as to present itself as a total alternative to 'Actual Drums'.
Many thanks and respect for your candid and open response, thanks Craig.
Yes Gareth, you hijacked the thread about the TD30 and tangented with your own debate about E drums V acoustic drums. Could have started a separate thread?
Then asked a very unfair question to Craig (forced his hand)
Now you reply with a nice answer.
I really think you killed this thread
Nice one
Dave |
| rockdrummerzero |
Posted - 07/02/2012 : 15:28:10
Craig, firstly cheers for the detailed and honest post.
I guess I was asking a loaded question, because of the constant hype surrounding Electronic Drums in general and Roland V-Drums in particular, in fact any brand of 'Virtual Drums' needs to be marketed to the strengths of the its own technology, and not try quite so hard as to present itself as a total alternative to 'Actual Drums'.
Many thanks and respect for your candid and open response, thanks Craig.
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| CraigDrums |
Posted - 07/02/2012 : 08:58:26
quote:
Originally posted by rockdrummerzero
Hey Craig, you can settle this for me !
From what you have said I am guessing that you will play 100% TD30 for all your future ( non Roland endorsed ) session & live work now, seems little point in taking any acoustic gear, correct ?
Good morning all, I hope you are doing fine?
ok, so I have thought long and hard about replying to this thread, I spoke to mike about it in LA and we both came to the same conclusion..
The truth is, rockdrummerzero, NO I can't settle this for you my friend as its only my opinion and not yours...
With forums as I'm sure you guys know, its a sounding board for opinions. With opinions, "some" of the time there is usually disagreements and with disagreements there is "normally" stupid things said and the whole thing tends to spiral out of control..Some people would argue with their own shadows!
I'd like to address some points on here If I may and try to offer my pennies worth..
Firstly, Should I of posted what I did when I was in LA? probably not. I was extremely tired, extremely unwel and above all extremely overwhelmed and overjoyed at what I was doing for Roland as i'd been heavily involved in the project and to play at the world launch and to do a few clinics in front of Omar Hakim, Tony Royster, Marc Shulman etc was simply overwhelming, its a fine line between passion and opinions on and away from the kit. It was a knee jerk "protective" reaction that wasn't thought through but I've kept it in (top of thread). Yes, I have to be careful if I say the wrong things with certain threads as I have obligations to the companies I work "with" the amount of times I really want to post but bite my tongue as I can't get sucked in and I'm very proud of that fact I work with these guys, sincerely.
I have never bashed any other product and never will, especially electronics which I deem to be "my bag" I'm fully aware of what all other companies produce, 9 times out of 10 when I'm working on an R&D project I have played the other brands gear or owned it, I never put my opinions on a public forum but I recognise (in my mind) what's good and bad and share with the team, always including Roland, not forums
regarding getting sucked in to an acoustic/electronics argument. I have said it on clinics and I will always say it to guys that have studied with me or the bundles of emails I get sent asking for advice (which I will ALWAYS give) there is NO substitute to an acoustic kit, nor should there ever be and I don't think that is the message I've ever portrayed. Both my acoustic set up and electronic set up give me solutions to my day job, call it a bigger tool box if you will and I use the right tool for the right job, and that's not giving of the corporate answer, that's telling you what my philosophy is to pay my bills and my thoughts are with my set ups. At the moment I'm doing a LOT of recording on the electronics, some engineers like them, some don't as do some PA's its all a matter of right tool for the job for me personally and the projects I'm involved with at the moment suit the instruments I'm playing. I see it as the acoustic/electric guitar debate for different material, some of you might agree, some won't but that's how I go about my business
I fully understand there are sceptics out there, rightly so, one answer on another thread saying I was a paid up something or other....Which I chose not to go down the playground route and answer. Yes, Roland release their flagship kit thats very expensive, its going to attract a lot of negative publicity for those who haven't played it or absolutely can't afford it, I totally accept that, every manufacturer has to go through that I'm sure, but it does attract the die hard fans of the top end stuff as it did with end users and dealers at Namm but that's a different story. Yes I was the face of that so accept its going to attract publicity, some great some bad, that's some of the downsides of my job, I put myself out there with Roland and not everyone is going to like it, sometimes I laugh, sometimes it really hurts, most of the time I sit back with a sence of pride that I've helped and motivated people. It comes down to the question, Do I like playing the TD-30? your damn right I do, I feel inspired to crazy things that I could only dream of, Like I felt when I first got my simmonds, my DrumKat, My TD-3, My TD-6, My TD-9 and my SPD-Sx. I get excited at technology and the things I can do personally with it to try and enhance my ability of my instrument. I was playing Roland stuff before I was an artist and felt the same way then.
The truth is, "Electronics" and I won't say Roland because before I was working with the team I owned a couple of simmonds kits and a Kat have completely changed my day job and my outlook on the instrument endorsements or call them what you will aside and completely transformed the way I play. I have built a hybrid kit up for my engagements this year and I'm really excited at the prospect of showing you what I've been working on, I've never been so motivated as a player, on this occasion I'm not thinking of the companies, I'm thinking of me as a drummer trying to push boundaries as a musician
Everyone is different, there are people that will probably argue with my thoughts here, but they are just that, my own thoughts and opinions that we are all entitled too, what is right and wrong outside personal passions and beliefs
I'm in a very lucky position to be extremely busy within this industry doing playing and writing music for a living, Clinics and obligations for companies aside, its the electronics that have really helped the ink go in the diary..
Finally all I can really add, and for the people that know me personally on here is that I'm a very down to earth and honest guy that lives and breathes drums, music and technology. I'm overwhelmed that I pay my mortgage each month by doing something I love and will always try to help people when I can through self motivation or getting better as a player. I can't and won't offer an opinion on this forum in this section unless its asked for, then please DM, As I don't want to come across biased towards Roland and start off debates or the odd person trying to provoke a public reaction, I can't get involved, I hope you understand. If I've come across too brand orientated then please accept my apology, that is not my intention, my intention and what I love to do is inspire people to play.
I hope you guys can catch some dates when I'm out and about this year and I can share it with you
I hope that's helped in some way?
Sincerely
Blunders |
| rockdrummerzero |
Posted - 06/02/2012 : 11:23:39
Hey Craig, you can settle this for me !
From what you have said I am guessing that you will play 100% TD30 for all your future ( non Roland endorsed ) session & live work now, seems little point in taking any acoustic gear, correct ? |
| CraigDrums |
Posted - 05/02/2012 : 19:42:42
Interesting read... |
| Diamond Drums |
Posted - 04/02/2012 : 20:10:29
It's ok to sniff your own drums but if you start sniffing each others drums i'm outta here
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| rockdrummerzero |
Posted - 04/02/2012 : 15:54:24
quote:
Originally posted by Diamond Drums
Fender electric guitar only makes a small sound, string vibration is transferred via the pickups and amplified in the amp.
If you hit an electronic drum it makes a noise of sorts, the vibration of the noise is tranferred to the module that creates the sound. Not too dissimilar?
An acoustic guitar would be a better comparison to acoustic drums but then if you are banging away on your acoustic drums and you are such a purist then the acoustic instruments can not be heard because mikes on guitar are more technology
You can advise that all digital effects pedals not be used and hey! how about playing by candlelight?
Electronic drummers are gaining ground very fast and Roland are the biggest selling company on the planet.
I meet many drummers now who are refused gigs unless they are digital drummers.
So i can imagine them adhering to your suggestion of playing a Roland SPDS, sitting on a little stool whilst doing a gig with a heavy metal band.
Of course they want a kit that fills the footprint.
You guys should move with the times and embrace technology
Many top acoustic drummers use triggers now.
and finally last point is ...
Acoustic drums are smelly, need constant tuning and are too LOUD ...
Thanks for the advice, I have owned played Electronic drums since the 80's, Simmons/Roland/Yamaha/Kat/DDrum and, so I promise really have embraced ( and paid for ) new technology, many times. I WAS the consumer of all things new and forward thinking.
You mention the SPDS on stage, but you should know that the SPDS is the worst thing to try to play as a replacement kit, the pads will not respond very well to changes in dynamics, I have one - very good for flying in samples. I prefer FSR technology ( Pioneerd by Dave Simmons - clever ) for a truly responsive rubber playing surface, oddly enough the Simmons Portakit was one of the best of the trigger interfaces, along with KAT products, brilliant.
It is important not to be too gullible, ask 100 guitarists and they will drool over the V-Drum and software like BFD, because most do not understand what makes drums great to play, they just keep missing the point, I recon you may have talked to too many guitarists...
Just spent all this time writing a reply and then see you flog electronic drums...
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| metallicpearl |
Posted - 04/02/2012 : 15:18:27
I've found that, on the drive home, post-kebab, my drums smell like rank farts. It's weird. |
| hummdrums |
Posted - 04/02/2012 : 15:17:08
thats OK then... Phew.. I was about to start hanging magic tree airfresheners inside all drums that are not electric. |
| eDRUM ATTIC |
Posted - 04/02/2012 : 14:26:19
Guys, working with both, we have found smelly means full of character and worth getting to know!
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| hummdrums |
Posted - 04/02/2012 : 13:54:16
HA dave... I just checked some acoustic drums and you are right.. smelly... I like loud though. |
| Diamond Drums |
Posted - 04/02/2012 : 13:09:15
I will be looking forward to making a TD30 module purchase this year for the testing of my drum pads
I like the response of TD modules ...
and other brands too |
| Diamond Drums |
Posted - 04/02/2012 : 13:03:35
Fender electric guitar only makes a small sound, string vibration is transferred via the pickups and amplified in the amp.
If you hit an electronic drum it makes a noise of sorts, the vibration of the noise is tranferred to the module that creates the sound. Not too dissimilar?
An acoustic guitar would be a better comparison to acoustic drums but then if you are banging away on your acoustic drums and you are such a purist then the acoustic instruments can not be heard because mikes on guitar are more technology
You can advise that all digital effects pedals not be used and hey! how about playing by candlelight?
Electronic drummers are gaining ground very fast and Roland are the biggest selling company on the planet.
I meet many drummers now who are refused gigs unless they are digital drummers.
So i can imagine them adhering to your suggestion of playing a Roland SPDS, sitting on a little stool whilst doing a gig with a heavy metal band.
Of course they want a kit that fills the footprint.
You guys should move with the times and embrace technology
Many top acoustic drummers use triggers now.
and finally last point is ...
Acoustic drums are smelly, need constant tuning and are too LOUD ...
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| MustangMick |
Posted - 04/02/2012 : 11:28:40
quote:
Originally posted by rockdrummerzero
This leads me on to my final point, I think that the optimum size of an electronic kit or percussion unit is about the same size as a Trapkat or similar trigger surface, with all pads close and within a very easily played proximity, no point at all spreading the Electronic Drums out all over the place, the only reason we do this with real drums is because we need to accomodate the actual physical size of the drum required to produce the sound, no because we HAVE to have the kit stretched out widely in several directions.
Economy of movement and form with Electronic percussion, it doesn't have to be a drumkit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4D-ICXP6NZg
Cheers
Mick |
| Bewdy |
Posted - 04/02/2012 : 09:18:04
quote:
Originally posted by rockdrummerzero
Call me old fashioned, I am still left deeply unmoved by electronic drums, I have owned and played them on and off for 25 years, and I have concluded that for me they have no 'soul'. It may be that because the bits you hit create no direct sound of their own, unlike any other instrument I can think of apart from a Synth, which is all the drums really are, a replication of the real thing. Before you attack me for 'missing' the point, my point is clearly correct because Roland and others go to great lengths to develope 'realistic' sound and feel, and sell the instrument with that as a primary USP. In fact this is direct form Roland "For the stage or for professional recording, the new V-Pro is truly a complete and natural drumming experience" No it isn't, a "Natural drumming experience" only ever comes from a "natural" drum kit. Just like a natural Stratocaster 'Playing experience' ONLY ever comes from playing a real, not virtual Strat'.
This leads me on to my final point, I think that the optimum size of an electronic kit or percussion unit is about the same size as a Trapkat or similar trigger surface, with all pads close and within a very easily played proximity, no point at all spreading the Electronic Drums out all over the place, the only reason we do this with real drums is because we need to accomodate the actual physical size of the drum required to produce the sound, no because we HAVE to have the kit stretched out widely in several directions.
I'm in complete agreement with this. |
| rockdrummerzero |
Posted - 01/02/2012 : 14:37:10
Call me old fashioned, I am still left deeply unmoved by electronic drums, I have owned and played them on and off for 25 years, and I have concluded that for me they have no 'soul'. It may be that because the bits you hit create no direct sound of their own, unlike any other instrument I can think of apart from a Synth, which is all the drums really are, a replication of the real thing. Before you attack me for 'missing' the point, my point is clearly correct because Roland and others go to great lengths to develope 'realistic' sound and feel, and sell the instrument with that as a primary USP. In fact this is direct form Roland "For the stage or for professional recording, the new V-Pro is truly a complete and natural drumming experience" No it isn't, a "Natural drumming experience" only ever comes from a "natural" drum kit. Just like a natural Stratocaster 'Playing experience' ONLY ever comes from playing a real, not virtual Strat'.
This leads me on to my final point, I think that the optimum size of an electronic kit or percussion unit is about the same size as a Trapkat or similar trigger surface, with all pads close and within a very easily played proximity, no point at all spreading the Electronic Drums out all over the place, the only reason we do this with real drums is because we need to accomodate the actual physical size of the drum required to produce the sound, no because we HAVE to have the kit stretched out widely in several directions.
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| allanjohn |
Posted - 26/01/2012 : 08:40:46
quote:
Originally posted by StormBlast
Am I not the only one that wonders what johnny rabb is like day to day? the guy was born for promo I think
Johnny is fantastic face-to-face. Down to earth, humble, friendly - just a nice guy. |
| metallicpearl |
Posted - 25/01/2012 : 10:57:05
quote:
Originally posted by MustangMick
quote:
Originally posted by StormBlast
Am I not the only one that wonders what johnny rabb is like day to day? the guy was born for promo I think
Johnny is one of the nicest, soundest guys in the drum biz. Always goes out of his way to help.
Mick
He is a fine ambassador. Amazing player, too. |
| MustangMick |
Posted - 25/01/2012 : 06:23:55
quote:
Originally posted by StormBlast
Am I not the only one that wonders what johnny rabb is like day to day? the guy was born for promo I think
Johnny is one of the nicest, soundest guys in the drum biz. Always goes out of his way to help.
Mick |
| StormBlast |
Posted - 24/01/2012 : 23:56:59
Am I not the only one that wonders what johnny rabb is like day to day? the guy was born for promo I think
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| MustangMick |
Posted - 24/01/2012 : 21:24:45
Craig,loving your NAMM videos, it looks to be a great piece of kit. Hope Johnny and Mike Snyder looked after you well at NAMM.
It would have been nice if Roland could have added Sampling capability to the module (at a RRP of nearly £2000???) It's a serious investment not to have this, compared to the Yamaha DTX900 or 2box.
Would love to try my Zendrum with the module though.
Good luck
Mick |
| StormBlast |
Posted - 23/01/2012 : 23:02:11
Sad to see the td-12 go..hanging on to mine for now. I can sort of see why however. I think if I was buying new I would have gone for a td9 kit instead |
| ThinkTank |
Posted - 23/01/2012 : 15:50:18
I will reserve judgement until I have had a go myself, but looking at a overview of the new product, and the touted improvements, I have to say I was a little underwhelmed by it.
Seeing some of the prices being banded about makes me wince too!
Surpised to see the demise of the TD-12 as I agree with Hummdrum, it sits in a really competitive price point,
I'm wondering if that makes my second-hand TD-12 suddenly more valuable?
Craig, I'd love to see some more vid demostrations where possible, any that show the use of the sound modeling would be useful, as it's the most intriguing feature of the improvements.
Just how easy is it to replicate your favourite kits? |
| hummdrums |
Posted - 23/01/2012 : 11:38:28
Here is a link to the vdrums page with no TD-12 http://www.roland.com/V-Drums/products/index.html
That will leave a big gap in prices for people buying just a module on its own... The £600 or so RRP of the TD-9 to the £1949 RRP of the TD-30. Even so i'm not sure where the other £5000 value is in td-30kv full kit where as the cheaper version doesn't reflect the increase in module cost by £900? I can see them adjusting prices quite soon.
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| allanjohn |
Posted - 23/01/2012 : 05:35:26
quote:
Originally posted by hummdrums
Unless i was going crazy the TD-12 disapeared from the Roland USA website the other day. It's there now when I just checked so either it was removed prematurely by mistake or I can't spell 12 properly.
The TD12 is indeed gone - no typo! |
| hummdrums |
Posted - 22/01/2012 : 22:45:56
Unless i was going crazy the TD-12 disapeared from the Roland USA website the other day. It's there now when I just checked so either it was removed prematurely by mistake or I can't spell 12 properly. |
| metallicpearl |
Posted - 22/01/2012 : 20:59:49
I think it's interesting that they have a cut-down version at a more affordable price. That's an interesting proposition. Are they axing the TD12, I wonder? |
| pluk2001 |
Posted - 22/01/2012 : 20:51:04
I'm pleased to see that they are getting a hang of the dynamics for the snare and cymbals, but why not the toms? Just asking out of curiosity...
Mind you, I like the snare sounds coming out of the videos I've seen thus far, and especially the ambience settings! |
| Cuban |
Posted - 22/01/2012 : 16:48:29
quote:
Originally posted by CraigDrums
Interesting people saying what you thought it would
Everyone will have an opinion on a forum always which is cool, but
We've had the worlds critics here including erskine today, literally thousands of people have watched all our demos and played the gear, all have left utterly blown away, when they land try one for yourself.....I'd be very interested on your opinions once you've heard it in the flesh and especially when you've played it..
Hi Craig, I hope you are having a great time at NAMM.
My comment was simply it was not what I and many many others thought it would be - that wasn't a negative, just a disappointment.
I of course am very much looking forward to having the chance to play it as I do know it will be an astonishing kit and from a playability point of view, I am sure it will lead the market by a country mile in many areas.
I had written a full reply about my two main concerns, but out of my respect for you and with your first hand experience with the kit vs. my total lack of, I will as you have suggested, wait until I have been able to try the kit and perhaps even discuss things with you before passing further comment.
Have a great final day at NAMM and have a safe trip home, speak soon hopefully. |
| StormBlast |
Posted - 22/01/2012 : 15:36:18
I guess I have to say even though I just plain dont like the sounds of Roland kits, probably due to using vsti kits so much, it is obviously a step in the right direction etc.
suppose if I was going to fork out that much on a kit Id want great samples too. No doubt its s great kit to play however |
| mwdrums |
Posted - 22/01/2012 : 07:51:25
I've found the V-drums to be very usable in a live situation. I'm using the TD12 at the moment but would absolutely LOVE the new TD30. It sounds amazing!! The one thing V-drums have lacked, until now, is true acoustic drum playability. The only thing that'll stop me placing my order will be the price. Their obviously going to be more expensive than the TD20 so I guess we're looking at £5000 + ? which, regrettably, is out of my league. Still an amazing bit of kit and I envy anyone who get's one!! |
| Giffo |
Posted - 21/01/2012 : 07:34:23
I'm sorry for my earlier rant. I've had a recent (and from my point of view) negative and costly disagreement with Roland that has left a bad taste in my mouth - somewhat compounded by the release of the TD-30 - and my annoyance and sense of frustration had been building up. Hence last night's unjustified and unfair rant at Craig Blundell / Roland.
So again my apologies to Craig and anyone else that may have taken offence.
I remain a horse's arse.
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| allanjohn |
Posted - 21/01/2012 : 05:57:26
I am currently at NAMM. I attended the launch, have watched a few demos and spent about an hour behind the kits (there are two versions). I, like most, did not have huge expectations of the new module. I have to say the TD-30 is a significant step up from the TD-20 - in every regard. Now, I haven't spent enough time to do a full review - and that will be done in time for the May issue of digitalDrummer, but it's impossible to ignore the fantastic sounds (especially the toms, bass and cymbals), the improved triggering response - especially the rims and the ride bell, the phenomenal improvement in the hats and the nifty stuff like graphic changing of the ambiance. This is not just a tweaked TD-20! And there's new hardware to bring out the best in the module as well.
Craig might not be unbiased, but he's got reason to be gushy about the kit - and he certainly knows how to show it off. He doesn't need drumming lessons either!
Disclaimer: I am not employed by Roland, Roland does not advertise in digitalDrummer (hopefully that will change!), Roland did not pay for me to attend NAMM (and it wasn't cheap to get here from Australia) and I didn't get a VIP ticket to the Vdrums World Championships (go Australasia!) currently under way. |
| moosetication |
Posted - 21/01/2012 : 05:25:35
Every time you edit that post, you simply make it more offensive - which is presumably deliberate. Why are you doing that? Has Craig ever concealed his role with Roland? Has he personally insulted you the way you are insulting him? Perhaps if you had Craig's profile and skills they would be asking you - but presumably you'd be far too "principled" to take that chance. He's not just a bloody good drummer and a nice bloke, he's a drumming and drum technology enthusiast which suits Roland just fine and makes him a perfect demonstrator and evangelist for their gear. But he was a user of Roland gear long before that.
I'm no Roland fan by a long way, but get off your high horse. |
| Giffo |
Posted - 20/01/2012 : 21:21:12
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Originally posted by CraigDrums
Interesting people saying what you thought it would be.....
Play it then have an opinion,
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Mr Blundell,
If Roland put out the demo vids (loaded with paid sponsors/employees - of which you are one, but you seem to have forgotten to mention :-)) in advance of the release date, then of course people will start to form opinions of this material prior to getting the chance to have a try themselves. If Roland don't want to be pre-juded then don't enter into hyperbolic nonsense based on a bit of kit that is basically unavailable to virtually all consumers at the time of said 'review'.
Your point is essentially a result of Roland's timetabling and marketing strategy (if you want people to pre-judge the product then give them a chance to have a bash, rather than putting out self-serving videos on youtube. Sorry, but you do come across as a paid-up sycophant). You've got sod-all objectivity because if 2-box or Yamaha paid you, I'm sure you'd be spouting out the same grovelling commentary about their products as well.
For my part, the snares sound great but the toms are still a bit machine gunning. And yes, I'll probably buy one.  |
| Allegro |
Posted - 20/01/2012 : 17:29:57
I have never found a electronic kit that could make me part with my money; that was until I saw the video demo of the TD30, and now I am interested in that kit |
| StormBlast |
Posted - 20/01/2012 : 17:18:01
Just google roland td 30 and prices show up on first page |
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