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| benjisonfire |
Posted - 19/04/2012 : 10:23:51
As we are mixing the drums I'm noticing that the snare is too clean. The pitch is high, but that's ok. However it has little guts and depth to the sound. How would you recommend tuning it for more guts? |
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| benjisonfire |
Posted - 20/04/2012 : 22:49:29
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Originally posted by crafty
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Originally posted by benjisonfire
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Originally posted by larold
If you're talking dirt I'd say a lot of that would be achieved in post production. Guts and depth though I'd go for a deep wood shell tuned right down.
Something like this?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6oEI4MB2iE - Ahhh that break does things to me!
NOW THAT IS A F**KING GROOVE! I will work to get that snare sound!
I played session recently where the the songwriter wanted exactly that kind of sound. I have a drum which I have tuned and taped for that kind of vibe. I said, 'I can bring along the Russ Kunkel'. He said that sounded interesting. The 'Russ Kunkel' is a 70s Slingerland 14x6 SoundKing, with a very tired ambassador tuned just above crisp packet and smeared with gaffa. It hits the spot. Great sound. I'll post an mp3 when the album's released.
Ed
please do! I KNEW it was only a matter of time before I would regret selling my slingerland cob 14x6... still de-tuning my 13x5 may have an interesting result... |
| Twotoms |
Posted - 20/04/2012 : 11:18:34
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6oEI4MB2iE
Al Jackson Jr ? |
| crafty |
Posted - 20/04/2012 : 11:12:04
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Originally posted by benjisonfire
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Originally posted by larold
If you're talking dirt I'd say a lot of that would be achieved in post production. Guts and depth though I'd go for a deep wood shell tuned right down.
Something like this?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6oEI4MB2iE - Ahhh that break does things to me!
NOW THAT IS A F**KING GROOVE! I will work to get that snare sound!
I played session recently where the the songwriter wanted exactly that kind of sound. I have a drum which I have tuned and taped for that kind of vibe. I said, 'I can bring along the Russ Kunkel'. He said that sounded interesting. The 'Russ Kunkel' is a 70s Slingerland 14x6 SoundKing, with a very tired ambassador tuned just above crisp packet and smeared with gaffa. It hits the spot. Great sound. I'll post an mp3 when the album's released.
Ed |
| benjisonfire |
Posted - 20/04/2012 : 10:57:11
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Originally posted by larold
If you're talking dirt I'd say a lot of that would be achieved in post production. Guts and depth though I'd go for a deep wood shell tuned right down.
Something like this?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6oEI4MB2iE - Ahhh that break does things to me!
NOW THAT IS A F**KING GROOVE! I will work to get that snare sound! |
| theslingerland |
Posted - 19/04/2012 : 23:31:52
Tune down and gaffa - or an old head upside down on the regular head... |
| teethmeister |
Posted - 19/04/2012 : 22:48:56
Another cheeky post technique is to use the snare signal to vocode something like a white or pink noise source. Or, with some vocoders, just running something impulsive like drums through with no secondary input can make quite a useful "dirt"
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| Tex |
Posted - 19/04/2012 : 19:19:02
If the track is separate and you have a spare track then bounce (duplicate not move) the snare and then detune that copy and try blending it in behind or forward (in the mix not the timing) of the other. As already well suggested, a little distortion or FX on the copy. |
| larold |
Posted - 19/04/2012 : 19:04:53
If you're talking dirt I'd say a lot of that would be achieved in post production. Guts and depth though I'd go for a deep wood shell tuned right down.
Something like this?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6oEI4MB2iE - Ahhh that break does things to me! |
| benjisonfire |
Posted - 19/04/2012 : 16:49:23
Was meaning how I should tune the actual snare for next time, rather than mixing. the guy mixin now is a pro and ha sorted it in a jiffy! |
| Wannabedrummer |
Posted - 19/04/2012 : 14:51:48
Smear it in mud? Sorry. No need for that really. Cant promise it wont happen again, though. |
| DyeHouseDrumWorks |
Posted - 19/04/2012 : 14:12:37
As above - if the take is good, go with it and get creative with the production.
There's no end you could do if you carefully gate an output from the recorded snare channel.
...and ultimately trigger any snare sound you could possibly imagine with it!
For future drum tracking projects, it's well worth running every single mic you own (and borrow some more too!) in wide and varied placements, through many channels, if you're not sure what sound you want. You can pick and chose what works after the tracking phase and still maintain a more natural sound pallette. |
| logic_user99 |
Posted - 19/04/2012 : 11:43:14
If you've got any decent tube-emulator compressors for your DAW, get it through that and push the gain so it crunches. You could look at triggering an 808 snare (one of the big boofy ones) under the recorded sound and compressing the f**k out of that, too. |
| beezerk |
Posted - 19/04/2012 : 11:40:39
Do the Steve Jordan trick, tune as low as owt and stick a pile of gaffa tape on it. |
| Dave S |
Posted - 19/04/2012 : 11:29:25
Got to love this forum!
Very handy knowledge for future reference, thanks guys. |
| larold |
Posted - 19/04/2012 : 11:27:18
Bit of distortion and pitched down could do the trick... I'm an advocate of the driven hard tape sound for a dirty snare and your DAW may have an emulator plug in type of affair that you can send the dry signal out to. May be worth a look. |
| simedgoose |
Posted - 19/04/2012 : 10:45:15
I agree with James. Depending on your DAW, trigger a low pitch 'dirty' snare sample under your current snare sound. If you are on ProTools or another hi end DAW then easy. If you are something simpler, then look at ApTrigga 2. Simple, cheap and very effective. €30 iirc |
| theslingerland |
Posted - 19/04/2012 : 10:31:00
And auto/pitch correct the snare lower. You could try mixing a processed pitched down snare (like an octave or two under the original) with the clean original? |
| Bewdy |
Posted - 19/04/2012 : 10:27:47
Well it sounds like your only option is to tune lower??
The other thing you could try is adding a little distortion, tube warmth or overdrive to the sound in the mix. |
| theslingerland |
Posted - 19/04/2012 : 10:27:14
If you're mixing it then it's probably too late to retune it, right?
Try putting some (nice) distortion on it or perhaps a little white noise, triggering it or even - if you have the facilities - I run drum stems to tape, red lineing it a bit and then make up the gain back to Protools using a nice crusty Shure pre amp I've had modded. Sounds killer. |
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