| T O P I C R E V I E W |
| Badman_batman |
Posted - 24/04/2012 : 19:09:01
Its been on my mind for a while now, I keep trying to advance but it's just not happening. Put it this way for any of you that know the book practical percussion by Kevin Edwards I'm only on page 13 which is terrible as I'm 6 weeks into instruction
Been able to hold grooves etc for months and timing is getting a lot better and to be fair it was never really bad
Really struggling with the academic side of drumming such as snare drum rolls and bloody doubles
We all learn at different rates but how long does it take, what kept you going and stopped you from just "chucking in the towel"
Mark |
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| OriginalAnimal |
Posted - 01/05/2012 : 21:18:13
Their loss BB, Keep on banging  |
| Badman_batman |
Posted - 01/05/2012 : 19:38:23
Thanks for the support guys, I will get there |
| StormBlast |
Posted - 01/05/2012 : 12:51:41
Just remember, there's no level you should be at. No matter how bad you (THINK YOU) may be, you're a whole lot better than the average joe on the street ;) |
| Badman_batman |
Posted - 01/05/2012 : 09:33:36
It said " the and is moving in a different direction and you won't be able to move fast enough, we have have been doing this a longtime time and we need more experienced drummer to cut a ep"
I'm over it now anyway guys. If anything I am gratefull to them for givin me the opportunity to play with a band. It was probably for the best anyway ask was starting to stress out before the practices as I knew I couldn't deliver what they wanted.
I shall just keep banging away at those drums |
| luke3030 |
Posted - 30/04/2012 : 23:15:47
I doubt they did. |
| martydrums |
Posted - 30/04/2012 : 22:59:17
quote:
Originally posted by Badman_batman
I just got a TEXT off the band that said, thanks but no thanks your not good enough
Did they put it in exactly those words? |
| kruppers |
Posted - 30/04/2012 : 21:04:34
quote:
Originally posted by luke3030
you need a thick skin to be a muso. put it behind you and move on. sounds harsh, but no point in dwelling on it.
^ what Luke said. Its great to play with people who are better than you but if the gap is too big, its brutal and everyone gets fed up with it. Have been both ends of that spectrum. neither is good. Just think of it as the first layer of that skin.
I bought Stick Control by George Lawrence Stone last year. Try getting to page 13 in that one!! Blimey its hard. 30 mins of doing two or three exercises and your head is spinning. It helps with your technique but at the end of the day you have got to play music in bands. Technique stuff is what you do behind closed doors. Once you get it into your hands it may come out on stage, it might not. Dont sweat it. Find another band at your level, enjoy it and carry on your journey. |
| luke3030 |
Posted - 30/04/2012 : 19:05:22
you need a thick skin to be a muso. put it behind you and move on. sounds harsh, but no point in dwelling on it. |
| halfDeadMuffinMan |
Posted - 30/04/2012 : 17:47:48
quote:
Originally posted by Badman_batman
I just got a TEXT off the band that said, thanks but no thanks your not good enough
Its one of those were you feel yourself just go really hot all over and kinda stunned but to be honest a few people on here and friends said maybe its just not for you and the icing on the cake was the band basically agreed with them
Its gone and solidified exactly this topic, gutted i really am
Don't fret, take the experience away with you and carry on. Both better and worse players than you have parted ways with bands. To be honest, the situation you were in put you under a lot of pressure. You had to deliver at a level that you were not comfortable for yet. I have been exactly where you are before and it's hard to progress in a situation where you have are expected to play outside your comfort. Keep practising. Keep practising. Keep practising. You'll be amazed how fast you'll progress. |
| Badman_batman |
Posted - 30/04/2012 : 17:29:18
I just got a TEXT off the band that said, thanks but no thanks your not good enough
Its one of those were you feel yourself just go really hot all over and kinda stunned but to be honest a few people on here and friends said maybe its just not for you and the icing on the cake was the band basically agreed with them
Its gone and solidified exactly this topic, gutted i really am |
| bERb |
Posted - 26/04/2012 : 23:07:48
quote:
Originally posted by halfDeadMuffinMan
Yes Bob, I don't think you realise that you know me!
Ok, Who are you ?. |
| Drumheduk |
Posted - 26/04/2012 : 20:15:30
Plus one of the nicest blokes on the drum scene, even with the red streak! And the ability to perform a drum solo of awe inspiring, jaw dropping virtuosity when so drunk he could barely get to the bar mid set up tut farmhouse one particularly memorable birthday gig. |
| crafty |
Posted - 26/04/2012 : 10:41:50
quote:
Originally posted by Drumheduk
Yes you can do it, I once got draughted into a pro function band as their drummer was too busy, the drummer was Rob Brian, blinking huge boots to fill, for several months I was totally out of my depth but playing in such a great band brought my playing on so much farther than I would have got on their own.
Most importantly, ask the guys you are with, most people are way too sel critical, they may be loving what you are doing.
I know more than one band who have been deeply unhappy after an "ordinary" drummer left them to be replaced with a technique heavy monster player, sometimes simplicity wins.
Just spoken to Rob. Things really taking off. Very excited for him. He deserves it. Great player and works VERY hard at it. Ed |
| Andy P |
Posted - 26/04/2012 : 10:02:08
With regard to teachers, it is not true that good teachers necessarily have to be the most fantastic drummers - just as some of the best football coaches were not the most prolific or gifted players. What good teacher CAN do though, is analyse playing, see areas for improvement, recognise strengths and weaknesses and then recommend actions to improve. This applies in any teaching or coaching role, not just teaching.
Anyway, BB, just stick at it - you're progressing at a helluva rate so it seems. I've been playing for 30 years, never been a rudiments man, don't even know what they're called in most cases, but it's not stopped me getting gigs and more to the point, enjoying myself.
Take a break from the academic side of it for a while, go find your favourite challenging drum part on a song, make that your goal to master it, then think of going back to a teacher.
I wish I'd had lessons when I was starting out. |
| stakka |
Posted - 26/04/2012 : 09:43:47
Different ways to learn to drum suit different people but the feel I get when you look to be "working your way through a book" is that you may be trying to get to a certain place by a very specific route - i.e. following a structured path.
Now this works very well for a large number of people - but I know it does't work for me as an individual. I started drums learning by myself and then got ok enough to join a band. A weekly practice with them and semi regular gigs has made a fantastic and hugely enjoyable difference to my life. I can now play comfortably and keep reasonable time for a 2 - 3 hour gig, I don't do anything too flash - partly because I can't and partly because I don't have to. It is very enjoyable and therefore I have never even dreamed of wanting to throw in the towel.
But as for learning, teaching and getting better I have taken the option of having the odd lesson here and there to just complement my drumming rather than me looking for a very direct and structured way to learn to play the drums. Yes, someone that takes that "learn properly from the start and follow the path" approach is going to end up a far far better drummer than me - but to me my journey had already started and I was already enjoying myself so why try and fix something that ain't bust. I may be wrong but could it be this trying to follow a too direct route is the base of your problems because you are finding some very specific things an obstacle and therefore have become demoralised - even though some of those roadblocks are trying to learn something that you may not even necessarily need to know.
Maybe try what I do - I look at my playing with the band and then realise there are certain things that I can't do which would be nice to incorporate in my day to day playing to take me to the next level.
I then have the benefit of being near James Hester (Slingerland of this Forum) and I get in touch, nip down to see him and he listens to what I am trying to improve and then gives me a specific lesson to help me. I come away with something to try and look forward to having it improve my playing as a band. He is a top teacher and would also be my teacher of choice if I was just starting out and wanted him to guide me from the very basics and through a very structured learning path - but in all honesty I can't put the hours in, and already have too much going on in order to do that and give it the credit / attention it deserves. I see him from time to time, he never gives me bull about I should be seeing him every week and doing this that or the other.... he is there when needed. End result is I am very happy...... and I am too engrossed in enjoying this stuff to notice if he is
So... follow what you enjoy, get hooked up with a teacher that is sensitive to where you want to be......... but make sure you focus your drumming time on the bits you find enjoyable...... and pick that fecking towel up now !  |
| alanharvey |
Posted - 26/04/2012 : 05:41:09
quote:
Originally posted by dwpaddy
quote:
Originally posted by Yard
Mere observations of mine over the years is that drumming has changed considerably in all aspects.
When I began playing along to records it was all about enjoying yourself and now it seems to be about 'pushing boundaries' (whatever that means)?
Get a kit,get in a band with your mates and just play.Forget about chops because if you can't swing you don't get a gig.
But most importantly you have to know your limits which will deter you from frustration.I wanted to be Rodney Marsh/Stan Bowles as a kid..it wasn't going to happen so I settled for Pele.
The best drummers in the world get gigs not for their chops but for their ability to listen,play what is needed and then shut it!!
Wise words indeed.
(not the bit about Bowles/Marsh)
+1 |
| halfDeadMuffinMan |
Posted - 26/04/2012 : 00:19:55
Yes Bob, I don't think you realise that you know me!
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| bERb |
Posted - 25/04/2012 : 21:16:09
quote:
Originally posted by halfDeadMuffinMan
I teach in Byth mate if you ever want a really relaxed lesson. Sometimes just having someone look at how your sitting, stick grip, playing style, etc, can really help your playing - it has helped mine a lot. MSG me at domjmurphy AT gmail DOT COM if you want and we could have a chat. It doesn't have to be all about rudiments and stuff but we could just look at some other interesting ways to give you more scope on the kit.
Blyth, Northumberland?. |
| Drumheduk |
Posted - 25/04/2012 : 21:11:43
Yes you can do it, I once got draughted into a pro function band as their drummer was too busy, the drummer was Rob Brian, blinking huge boots to fill, for several months I was totally out of my depth but playing in such a great band brought my playing on so much farther than I would have got on their own.
Most importantly, ask the guys you are with, most people are way too sel critical, they may be loving what you are doing.
I know more than one band who have been deeply unhappy after an "ordinary" drummer left them to be replaced with a technique heavy monster player, sometimes simplicity wins. |
| hecatomb |
Posted - 25/04/2012 : 20:46:06
quote:
Originally posted by Badman_batman
Yes mate I did but a quick google search yields a telephone number that's out of service and he seems listed no where else other than people's blogs or websites but without contact numbers
Have sent you an email with his number.
Cheers |
| Badman_batman |
Posted - 25/04/2012 : 19:43:31
Yes mate I did but a quick google search yields a telephone number that's out of service and he seems listed no where else other than people's blogs or websites but without contact numbers |
| hecatomb |
Posted - 25/04/2012 : 19:27:23
Hi
Did you see my answer to your question about drum teachers in the Newcastle area? Think that would answer your issues here.
Cheers |
| Badman_batman |
Posted - 25/04/2012 : 18:49:59
quote:
Originally posted by Drumheduk
In a band and loving it? And thinking about throwing in he towel? Dude that s the reason to play, advance your technique if you want/can but you've got the hard bit done, finding a band you have fun with is the tricky part.
I know it sounds odd but it's mainly because the band are expecting more than I can give at the mo because of a lack of experience and mainly speed. I love it but can I do it lol
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| Hugs |
Posted - 25/04/2012 : 17:16:04
BB, if you playing in band and your groove and timing are improving then you are definitely moving in the right direction.
I have been playing in a covers band for a couple of years and so far the only rudiment I have knowingly used is a six stroke roll that I use for a motownesq fill.
I have loads of books in garage where I practice. If I'm honest I rarely get past chapter one. I just find it hard to motivate myself. For hand technique I find Tommy Igoe's DVD Great Hands For A Lifetime very good and I find it easier to work my way through the DVD than a book. I just work through the odd chapter now and again and then add in the various exercise to my practice regime.
Developing hand technique though will take time. The guys you see with great chops will mostly have been playing a lifetime and probably spending hours a day working on technique. If like me you have a job and family then you may only get spend 15 minutes or so a day if your lucky. It will come but it takes time. I just take the long view that if I do a bit each day then by this time next year I will be just that bit better.
As for doubles, I found Jim Chapin's explanation very helpful:
http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/jimchapinopenroll.html
Any way good luck.
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| Mark W |
Posted - 25/04/2012 : 16:59:02
Hi All,
I've got a book called "Rocking Bass Drum" that someone gave me in about 1986. I don't think I've read it yet.
The whole point FOR ME of drumming is to make music & enjoy myself. Chasing academia for the sake of it is like missing the wood for the trees.
I remember reading a post with dismay on another forum where a bass player who was being offered the opportunity to join a well regarded, gigging local tribute act never took it up because he was worried that it might affect his bass guitar studies at college. Eh?? So someone who probably wasn't studying is now a member of this band & is filling his boots on a weekly basis.
Honestly, enjoy yourself first & foremost, advance technically at a comfortable pace as & when required. And ask yourself what the "point" of studying is. Is it to show people your certificates or to gain the skills required to play in a band? You're already in a band, as am I. If someone wants to come up to us after a gig & talk up his technical prowess then he's welcome to as I pocket my cash & look forward to the next night out with my mates.
Cheerio,
Mark W. |
| Drumheduk |
Posted - 25/04/2012 : 16:16:53
In a band and loving it? And thinking about throwing in he towel? Dude that s the reason to play, advance your technique if you want/can but you've got the hard bit done, finding a band you have fun with is the tricky part. |
| Sonarbell |
Posted - 25/04/2012 : 16:06:00
quote:
Originally posted by G Lo
I can do some very simple rudiments - but I'm not very good at them at all. I can play in a band and do pretty much everything I want to do. I'm completely self taught and didn't know rudiments existed - no internet back then to tell me stuff I needed to know!!
Enjoy your drumming - play along with music you love - and remember we can't all be John Bonham or Billy Cobham - some of us just can do the basics and hold a band together....
+1 on this..... |
| Badman_batman |
Posted - 25/04/2012 : 16:00:37
quote:
Originally posted by grannydrums
hi badman,
you dont say why it is that you want to drum. Are you in a band? Do you just want to be able to play along to your favorite music? Are you hoping to take exams? Or do you want to be one of the greats?
I started drumming with a TD3 with the intention of just wanting to do something musical and didn't really consider the direction i wanted to go.
I am a DJ and to be honest, realise I have a limited number of years now before I just pack it in and grow up but I don't want to let go of the performing side and drums is what I always thought of doing and never did.
Im in a band and I love it, I love the recording, the socialising and the fact that it just seems right when I am behind the kit, sounds daft but its true.
I am never going to be one of the greats but aspire to be as good as I can be and hand technique and speed is the part that gets me down.
Like people say, play and have fun and i do, every week and the confidence boost i got from a experienced band asking me to be there drummer was awesome but again they are asking for grooves and styles i have never done, i.e funk, ambient drumming with mallets on toms lol
I really appreciate all the help
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| Yard |
Posted - 25/04/2012 : 14:31:18
If you want to know the feeling of being in a good band then watch any clips of the late Michael Lee as he has broad grin from ear to ear and doesn't look like he's taking his Doctorate at Cambridge..
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| dogface |
Posted - 25/04/2012 : 14:03:06
quote:
Originally posted by benjisonfire
play music not drums.
Very, very good advice.
I'd also like to say that making a living as a drummer from gigs alone isn't easy. Teaching helps to pay the bills. |
| dogface |
Posted - 25/04/2012 : 13:59:54
quote:
Originally posted by Yard
The best drummers in the world get gigs not for their chops but for their ability to listen,play what is needed and then shut it!!
Exactly. No-one wants a smart arse pain-in-the-butt in their band, however good he/she is. |
| moosetication |
Posted - 25/04/2012 : 13:05:15
quote:
Originally posted by grannydrums
... got frustrated with the requirement to learn techniques that were just not used in the songs I wanted to play.
This, to me, is a teaching approach that is at fault. Whenever I'm adding a new "thing" (sticking, lick, technique, whatever) I always have tracks as examples for the application of the "thing". Teaching "things" in completely abstract ways is just daft, to me. |
| mully |
Posted - 25/04/2012 : 13:04:58
quote:
Originally posted by OriginalAnimal
Mully, our posts seemed to have crossed!
I get fed up with the solution to every drummers problems ibeing go to a teacher.
Ok, let's look at what Mark said - he said he was struggling with the "academic" side of drumming, i.e. his technique. What better way to improve that than to go to a tutor who can help him with his technique issues? Let's say Mark has a drum part in his head for a tune, but his hands and feet won't let him play it because they don't know what to do. It won't matter how many people he plays with, he still won't be able to play the drum part he wants to because he doesn't know how to best move the sticks and pedals to get the result he wants. We've had this discussion many times here before, the technique vs. feel discussion. My contention has always been that 95% of those who say "Don't worry about technique, just play what you feel" have got (at least) reasonable technique and can play what they feel because they have the ability and technique to play what they feel.
Stephen |
| grannydrums |
Posted - 25/04/2012 : 13:02:44
hi badman,
you dont say why it is that you want to drum. Are you in a band? Do you just want to be able to play along to your favorite music? Are you hoping to take exams? Or do you want to be one of the greats?
I am a mediocre rock drummer, I used to have lessons, but got frustrated with the requirement to learn techniques that were just not used in the songs I wanted to play. I only have a certain number of hours in the day to practice and decided i would rather use those to learn songs and slowly but surly improve my speed and stamina rather than perfect a double paradiddle. For the first time this week i was asked to play a song that has demi-semi quavers in a fill, but i just did sixteenths and the band did not notice.And I thought it sounded good. If anyone at the gig comes up to complain afterwards that I am not technical enough then i wont mind. Why beat myself up about a one bar fill in one song from a two hour set.
I can see that people who have more time and who's aspirations are to be **** hot technical drummers do need to work on rudiments and different techniques. But for an amateur part timer like me being able to play in a band, get everyone dancing and have fun makes up for only being able to play at a certain level, and i am slowely improving so that good enough.
so before you throw in the towel because you cannot get past page 13, ask yourself why you are learning and will being able to tackle page 14 get you there. |
| OriginalAnimal |
Posted - 25/04/2012 : 12:51:05
Mully, our posts seemed to have crossed!
I get fed up with the solution to every drummers problems ibeing go to a teacher.
Dye House, yes I found our session informative and I thank you for that Lee.
But I also learn from the people I play with, just last saturday we had a superb percussionist play with us and we all learnt from her, but again she had had few formal lessons, but plied her trade in the US & Cuba.
Re the leaving of Mully, I have to say that I would be devastated, in fact, my Deva has never been so stated!!
Let's just agree to disagree cos i'm right
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| mully |
Posted - 25/04/2012 : 12:13:06
quote:
Originally posted by martydrums
quote:
Originally posted by mully
For feck's sake....is this all the pleading I get, after all my years here? All the work I've put in....where are the tears? Where is the anguish and despair? Where are the suicides? Why is Dolbear Towers not closed as a mark of respect? Leaving a forum is like jumping into the ocean. The waters close over your head in a second or two, and then it's as if you've never been there. But you'll ALL pay when I become MBDOE, let me tell you!
I for one, was briefly inconsolable with grief.
There, there. <pat pat>
Stephen |
| mully |
Posted - 25/04/2012 : 12:12:01
quote:
Originally posted by OriginalAnimal
I thought you were better than that!
Funnily, I thought exactly the same about you.
Stephen |
| martydrums |
Posted - 25/04/2012 : 12:09:43
quote:
Originally posted by mully
For feck's sake....is this all the pleading I get, after all my years here? All the work I've put in....where are the tears? Where is the anguish and despair? Where are the suicides? Why is Dolbear Towers not closed as a mark of respect? Leaving a forum is like jumping into the ocean. The waters close over your head in a second or two, and then it's as if you've never been there. But you'll ALL pay when I become MBDOE, let me tell you!
I for one, was briefly inconsolable with grief. |
| benjisonfire |
Posted - 25/04/2012 : 11:45:07
play music not drums. who cares how you play something? just play it!
people seem to stress that their doubles don't sound like singles... of course they don't... they are doubles! |
| DyeHouseDrumWorks |
Posted - 25/04/2012 : 11:38:34
...and hello to Phil/Original Animal
I would certainly agree that there is no requirement to be able to read or have lessons - or graded qualifications to be a good player, but history surely shows us clearly that a more formal approach can be of great benefit as well?
The thing about teachers not being able to play and only wanting to line their pockets is cynical at best.
I certainly got the impression that you found your free lesson at our open day of benefit?
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| dwpaddy |
Posted - 25/04/2012 : 11:31:33
quote:
Originally posted by Yard
Mere observations of mine over the years is that drumming has changed considerably in all aspects.
When I began playing along to records it was all about enjoying yourself and now it seems to be about 'pushing boundaries' (whatever that means)?
Get a kit,get in a band with your mates and just play.Forget about chops because if you can't swing you don't get a gig.
But most importantly you have to know your limits which will deter you from frustration.I wanted to be Rodney Marsh/Stan Bowles as a kid..it wasn't going to happen so I settled for Pele.
The best drummers in the world get gigs not for their chops but for their ability to listen,play what is needed and then shut it!!
Wise words indeed.
(not the bit about Bowles/Marsh) |
| thedrumcrew |
Posted - 25/04/2012 : 11:29:04
I talk sh-t on here all the time some like what i put some don't.
Its a forum.
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| DyeHouseDrumWorks |
Posted - 25/04/2012 : 11:24:25
Hi Mark.
Your original post certainly translates the frustration you are experiencing - and also carries the hallmarks of confusion which often come with that!
If you started playing 6 weeks ago; can hold down grooves and you are pleased with your timing, then that is a great achievement. I would imagine possibly that looking back you may not have expected to get to even that place in the time you have spent?
As you say quite rightly, we all learn at differing rates, but even this rate is not constant. You may well find that the early exercises are something you find more difficult and things quickly become easier for you - this is a quite common learning curve.
In my own early learning, I was lucky enough to have a fantastic teacher and player by the name of Dougie Wright who constantly reiterated my need for patience early in learning and left me with only one or two exercises a week to develop for our next session.
My advice to you would be to listen to lots of advice - and try lots of different approaches before you call it a day. Everyone's experience of learning is different - and so should it be. You're already taking the first steps in this, having found a method which is not for you. This is progress in itself.
Good luck! |
| Yard |
Posted - 25/04/2012 : 11:17:23
Mere observations of mine over the years is that drumming has changed considerably in all aspects.
When I began playing along to records it was all about enjoying yourself and now it seems to be about 'pushing boundaries' (whatever that means)?
Get a kit,get in a band with your mates and just play.Forget about chops because if you can't swing you don't get a gig.
But most importantly you have to know your limits which will deter you from frustration.I wanted to be Rodney Marsh/Stan Bowles as a kid..it wasn't going to happen so I settled for Pele.
The best drummers in the world get gigs not for their chops but for their ability to listen,play what is needed and then shut it!! |
| OriginalAnimal |
Posted - 25/04/2012 : 11:04:08
Boll1x maybe, There are good teachers out there. Likewise for every good teacher there are hundreds that are sheyite.
At this point, I am saying forget the technical side, go out and enjoy playing, if your band are happy, where's the problem
and if anyone else wants to flounce off, fine, I thought you were better than that! |
| mully |
Posted - 25/04/2012 : 10:58:46
For feck's sake....is this all the pleading I get, after all my years here? All the work I've put in....where are the tears? Where is the anguish and despair? Where are the suicides? Why is Dolbear Towers not closed as a mark of respect? Leaving a forum is like jumping into the ocean. The waters close over your head in a second or two, and then it's as if you've never been there. But you'll ALL pay when I become MBDOE, let me tell you!
No, of course I'm not gone. I just needed a flounce, there was plenty of talc in the bathroom, so I went for it. I'll hoover up the talc later.
In all seriousness, I do get sick of the negativity and attacks on here at times. And, it has to be said, the stupidity of some comments. It wasn't just Phil's comment that made me throw a wobbler, even though I do think it was nonsense.
Just take some pleasure out of life. Believe me, it could all be taken away from you in a nanosecond. Don't look for the negative - look for the positive. Just....be kind. On forums, in life, to your pets, to your family, to strangers, to those you don't really like...and don't talk COMPLETE shyte. A bit of shyte is fine, I'm as good as anyone at that, but COMPLETE shyte is not good.
Badman - if drumming is getting you down and causing you distress, well, you have two choices. You can pack it in, or you can carry on and try to get past your sticking point. There are no drum police out there who will force you to carry on if you don't want to. I've been playing for over forty years, and it's only now that I've got a half-decent double stroke roll. HALF-decent, not perfect. And you're six weeks into instruction. None of this stuff lands at your feet, unless you're born extremely gifted, and even then you still have to work at it. So relax, eh? Set yourself ACHIEVABLE goals. Small, slow steps, one after the other, add up over time to a considerable distance travelled. I'm working through a Latin rhythms book at the minute and I have thrown the sticks across the room in frustration many, many times, thinking "I can't do this". But I'll go back to it and try again when I calm down. A bit like being a member of this forum, I suppose.
Stephen
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| Me2. |
Posted - 25/04/2012 : 09:40:20
quote:
Originally posted by mully
quote:
Originally posted by OriginalAnimal
quote:
Originally posted by Badman_batman
Its been on my mind for a while now, I keep trying to advance but it's just not happening. Put it this way for any of you that know the book practical percussion by Kevin Edwards I'm only on page 13 which is terrible as I'm 6 weeks into instruction
Been able to hold grooves etc for months and timing is getting a lot better and to be fair it was never really bad
Really struggling with the academic side of drumming such as snare drum rolls and bloody doubles
We all learn at different rates but how long does it take, what kept you going and stopped you from just "chucking in the towel"
Mark
FFS there is no compulsion to learn from books or do grades in druming, or any other instrument!
Enjoy what you do, ignore the teachers, they only want to line their own pockets and more importantly, have fun!
you don't need any qualifications to be a good drummer, teachers teach because they can't play!
Fact
God but you do talk some right total bollix sometimes, Phil. Joe Morello couldn't play? Mark Fletcher can't play? What about James Hester, Craig Blundell, Steve White, Rich Wilson, Geoff Fry, Pete Cater and God knows how many others on this forum alone? All those guys either teach currently or have taught in the past. And don't tar all teachers or tutors with " want to line their pockets" brush.
That's it, I've had enough. I'm gone. Good luck, all.
Stephen
 The font of all wisdom took his comment to heart? C'mon Mully you're better than that. The guy wears womens shoes ffs - not that theres anything wrong with that...
I'd be disappointed if you left. I've more respect/admiration for you than some who appear more in the spotlight and up their own azz. I love you mully - not in a ghey way, mind...
And Badman_Batman. Nothing good comes easy. It takes as long as it takes. Better to accept a slow progess thing on somethings you practice. Its just the way it is and lots are struggling. |
| WendyB |
Posted - 25/04/2012 : 09:08:02
Damn, its not even BBQ weather. I might have to instruct my handyman to erect something in the garden.
A shelter |
| martydrums |
Posted - 25/04/2012 : 08:53:46
^ Mully can't possibly have left, can he
@OA, was that the Stella talking or what? Many of the very finest players I have ever heard on a gig are, or have been, teachers! |
| Hugs |
Posted - 25/04/2012 : 06:53:41
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Originally posted by mully
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Originally posted by OriginalAnimal
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Originally posted by Badman_batman
Its been on my mind for a while now, I keep trying to advance but it's just not happening. Put it this way for any of you that know the book practical percussion by Kevin Edwards I'm only on page 13 which is terrible as I'm 6 weeks into instruction
Been able to hold grooves etc for months and timing is getting a lot better and to be fair it was never really bad
Really struggling with the academic side of drumming such as snare drum rolls and bloody doubles
We all learn at different rates but how long does it take, what kept you going and stopped you from just "chucking in the towel"
Mark
FFS there is no compulsion to learn from books or do grades in druming, or any other instrument!
Enjoy what you do, ignore the teachers, they only want to line their own pockets and more importantly, have fun!
you don't need any qualifications to be a good drummer, teachers teach because they can't play!
Fact
God but you do talk some right total bollix sometimes, Phil. Joe Morello couldn't play? Mark Fletcher can't play? What about James Hester, Craig Blundell, Steve White, Rich Wilson, Geoff Fry, Pete Cater and God knows how many others on this forum alone? All those guys either teach currently or have taught in the past. And don't tar all teachers or tutors with " want to line their pockets" brush.
That's it, I've had enough. I'm gone. Good luck, all.
Stephen
Your not leaving the forum because of one ill-considered comment are you? We all say things occasionally without thinking it through and sometimes the way things come across on-line is not quite what we intended.
A great shame if you are going |
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