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Posted - 26/04/2012 : 15:44:44
http://www.paiste.com/e/news.php?actn=det&menuid=39&newsid=1196 |
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| Jon Petersen |
Posted - 19/06/2012 : 11:43:26
quote:
Originally posted by teethmeister
...it was decided that Danish railways would transport the gong and, can you believe this? They lost that gong for 7 days. No one could find it. I mean how does anybody lose the worlds biggest gong?
If anyone could, I would trust DSB to do it. Since privatization, our once proud State Railways has been a joke.
Great story!
Jon |
| Zatoichi |
Posted - 23/05/2012 : 07:44:53
The only cymbals capable of generating the Brown Note... |
| Shammy |
Posted - 29/04/2012 : 11:34:08
Carl Palmer will have 2 by the end of the week. He isn't over compensating or anything.  |
| drumdmc |
Posted - 28/04/2012 : 20:07:22
quote:
Originally posted by www.ecymbals.co.uk
quote:
Originally posted by drumdmc
A bold statement indeed to say that Matt would be the only person to make such a thing. I dare say he could but doubt he would be the only person/company able to replicate such a thing. At the end of the day why would you when it has already been done.
Any idea how they sound if you could find a stick big enough?
Second hand Sabians can be bought all over the world for numerous currencies not just Euros.
Bob Zildjian (Sabian) was in talks with Ufip in the early 70's trying to persuede his brothers to get involved with the Italians. His brothers declined so probably thats why he got involved with Tosco. One could suppose even he knew about the benefits of Rotocasting way back then and was trying to get in through the back door.
At the end of the day a cymbal is a cymbal some will like it others will not no matter the logo on it.
Run DMC, you've got me there, I forgot to click on the "winking face" after my bold statement. I was just impressed with Matt's earlier post that I wanted to give a plug. Perhaps another company could replicate the Paiste Cymbals as well but as nothing's happened similar in the last 20 years (cymbal wise) then I can only hope that it happens soon.
They sound LOUD.
Interesting to hear that BZ, tried to persuade his brothers to get involved with UFIP back in the 1970s. That just shows how little I know on the subject as I thought BZ only had 1 brother?
Apologies should have read brother and father, too many Rose wines got in the way |
| www.ecymbals.co.uk |
Posted - 28/04/2012 : 11:48:04
quote:
Originally posted by teethmeister
Here is an excerpt from Steve's Book, "Fire and Steel":
In 1992 I was invited to participate in a big project in Aarhus called Amorfus. This was like some mad science fiction festival of Robots by Chico McMurtrie, High voltage sound sculptures by Barry Schwartz and the prototype Hot Pipe Organ by Bastian Marris and Geo Homsey. Video installation by Barney Haynes, underwater art by Shelley Cook and installation creation by Kim Groenborg and Robyn Lubecker. During an eventful discussion of the forthcoming event it was agreed that I would make the world's biggest gong.
One of the Danes phoned up Paiste in Switzerland
"Guten Tag - sprechen sie English?"
"Ja of course"
"I'm calling from Denmark and I'm getting into gongs"
"Good"
"Who made the world's biggest gong then?"
"We did"
"How big is it?"
"2 meters"
"Wow. Danke shoen. Tschuss"
So that was it then. It was decided I had to make an even bigger gong. After a great deal of phoning around, we found a company in Sweden who could supply a 2.5 metre stainless steel disc of 4mm thick 304. It weighed 155 kilos and we bought it.
...
I spent a month hammering out this disc
...
I broke 2 sledgehammer shafts in the process and got pretty fit while everyone else went deaf.
...
Bo the master carpenter built a giant gong stand from tree trunks and a suspended ram type mallet that swung into the gong. The big moment came and we hit it. Very deep powerful sound, everyone loved it. Of course, with things like this, everybody has to try it. So all through the day and night you would hear - BOINGGGGGGGG.
...
Sometime later I was invited to exhibit the gong and perform a solo percussion concert in the big park in the center of Aalborg... it was decided that Danish railways would transport the gong and, can you believe this? They lost that gong for 7 days. No one could find it. I mean how does anybody lose the worlds biggest gong?
Ver interesting, I'd love to see a photo of the edge of the SH gong as when Paiste make the 2 Metre Gong the material starts out bigger than 2 Metres but reduces as edge is hammered into shape.
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| www.ecymbals.co.uk |
Posted - 28/04/2012 : 11:44:22
quote:
Originally posted by teethmeister
quote:
Originally posted by www.ecymbals.co.uk
As for the workmanship, it would be interesting to see if any other company could actually make cymbals of this size.
The only other company who could make this might be:
http://www.mattnolancustomcymbals.com/
Well I was asked to make some incredibly large hi-hats last year. But, in the end, it was going to be too expensive for the prospective client. The metal costs alone were quite something.
I'm not sure I'd want to make an 80+" cymbal. For one, I'd need help. It's kinda too big for one person to man-handle and hand-hammer. I think I'd leave madness like that to my good friend Steve Hubback. Did you know he made the largest gong in the world? Yes, larger than the biggest Paiste ones. But the Guinness World Record folks never showed up to validate it. This was in Denmark a decade or 2 ago.
UFIP have made some pretty monstrous sized cymbals - from Brass. Not sure how big. At least 40".
Wow, I never knew that SH made a larger Gong than Paiste. Respect. |
| www.ecymbals.co.uk |
Posted - 28/04/2012 : 11:32:22
quote:
Originally posted by drumdmc
A bold statement indeed to say that Matt would be the only person to make such a thing. I dare say he could but doubt he would be the only person/company able to replicate such a thing. At the end of the day why would you when it has already been done.
Any idea how they sound if you could find a stick big enough?
Second hand Sabians can be bought all over the world for numerous currencies not just Euros.
Bob Zildjian (Sabian) was in talks with Ufip in the early 70's trying to persuede his brothers to get involved with the Italians. His brothers declined so probably thats why he got involved with Tosco. One could suppose even he knew about the benefits of Rotocasting way back then and was trying to get in through the back door.
At the end of the day a cymbal is a cymbal some will like it others will not no matter the logo on it.
Run DMC, you've got me there, I forgot to click on the "winking face" after my bold statement. I was just impressed with Matt's earlier post that I wanted to give a plug. Perhaps another company could replicate the Paiste Cymbals as well but as nothing's happened similar in the last 20 years (cymbal wise) then I can only hope that it happens soon.
They sound LOUD.
Interesting to hear that BZ, tried to persuade his brothers to get involved with UFIP back in the 1970s. That just shows how little I know on the subject as I thought BZ only had 1 brother? |
| teethmeister |
Posted - 28/04/2012 : 10:50:17
Here is an excerpt from Steve's Book, "Fire and Steel":
In 1992 I was invited to participate in a big project in Aarhus called Amorfus. This was like some mad science fiction festival of Robots by Chico McMurtrie, High voltage sound sculptures by Barry Schwartz and the prototype Hot Pipe Organ by Bastian Marris and Geo Homsey. Video installation by Barney Haynes, underwater art by Shelley Cook and installation creation by Kim Groenborg and Robyn Lubecker. During an eventful discussion of the forthcoming event it was agreed that I would make the world's biggest gong.
One of the Danes phoned up Paiste in Switzerland
"Guten Tag - sprechen sie English?"
"Ja of course"
"I'm calling from Denmark and I'm getting into gongs"
"Good"
"Who made the world's biggest gong then?"
"We did"
"How big is it?"
"2 meters"
"Wow. Danke shoen. Tschuss"
So that was it then. It was decided I had to make an even bigger gong. After a great deal of phoning around, we found a company in Sweden who could supply a 2.5 metre stainless steel disc of 4mm thick 304. It weighed 155 kilos and we bought it.
...
I spent a month hammering out this disc
...
I broke 2 sledgehammer shafts in the process and got pretty fit while everyone else went deaf.
...
Bo the master carpenter built a giant gong stand from tree trunks and a suspended ram type mallet that swung into the gong. The big moment came and we hit it. Very deep powerful sound, everyone loved it. Of course, with things like this, everybody has to try it. So all through the day and night you would hear - BOINGGGGGGGG.
...
Sometime later I was invited to exhibit the gong and perform a solo percussion concert in the big park in the center of Aalborg... it was decided that Danish railways would transport the gong and, can you believe this? They lost that gong for 7 days. No one could find it. I mean how does anybody lose the worlds biggest gong? |
| Captain Bubble |
Posted - 28/04/2012 : 07:58:10
So how large was Steve Hubback's gong?
Has anyone heard these Paiste cymbals? |
| teethmeister |
Posted - 27/04/2012 : 22:39:50
quote:
Originally posted by www.ecymbals.co.uk
As for the workmanship, it would be interesting to see if any other company could actually make cymbals of this size.
The only other company who could make this might be:
http://www.mattnolancustomcymbals.com/
Well I was asked to make some incredibly large hi-hats last year. But, in the end, it was going to be too expensive for the prospective client. The metal costs alone were quite something.
I'm not sure I'd want to make an 80+" cymbal. For one, I'd need help. It's kinda too big for one person to man-handle and hand-hammer. I think I'd leave madness like that to my good friend Steve Hubback. Did you know he made the largest gong in the world? Yes, larger than the biggest Paiste ones. But the Guinness World Record folks never showed up to validate it. This was in Denmark a decade or 2 ago.
UFIP have made some pretty monstrous sized cymbals - from Brass. Not sure how big. At least 40". |
| drumdmc |
Posted - 27/04/2012 : 21:50:50
A bold statement indeed to say that Matt would be the only person to make such a thing. I dare say he could but doubt he would be the only person/company able to replicate such a thing. At the end of the day why would you when it has already been done.
Any idea how they sound if you could find a stick big enough?
Second hand Sabians can be bought all over the world for numerous currencies not just Euros.
Bob Zildjian (Sabian) was in talks with Ufip in the early 70's trying to persuede his brothers to get involved with the Italians. His brothers declined so probably thats why he got involved with Tosco. One could suppose even he knew about the benefits of Rotocasting way back then and was trying to get in through the back door.
At the end of the day a cymbal is a cymbal some will like it others will not no matter the logo on it. |
| www.ecymbals.co.uk |
Posted - 27/04/2012 : 13:12:32
quote:
Originally posted by teethmeister
quote:
Originally posted by drumdmc
In the loosest sense of the word i suppose you are correct.
Nothing loose about it. The difference between "cast" and "sheet" has been massively over-exaggerated by big cymbal company marketing speak over the years. Granted, there is a crystal grain microsctructure difference between "euro" style cymbals, "turkish" style cymbals, "chinese" style cymbals and roto-cast cymbals, and you can hear it.
quote:
Originally posted by jimfisher
nickel silver? cheapskates!! still, 1200 man-hours, let's say conservatively @ £10/hr.. blimey
Actually, Nickel Silver is more expensive than Bronze. The reason they used it is because Bronze sheet is not available that large. As an educated guess, I'd say they've used 80" gong blanks for those cymbals.
Great post.
The difference between "cast" and "sheet" has been massively over-exaggerated by big cymbal company marketing speak over the years.
+1 but not all the companies over-exaggerate. Example when Sabian first came out with their Pro series they actually called it a "Euro Style Cymbal". (How coincidental that you can now purchase 2nd hand Sabian Pro cymbals in Europe using Euros).
But, with respect, to say that one is better than another is bunkum. Horses for courses. Celebrate variety!
+1 different methods (and their results) draw different opinions but there is no opinion with market share.
So a piece of Nickel Silver that is big enough to produce these cymbals must cost a few £,€ or $.
As for the workmanship, it would be interesting to see if any other company could actually make cymbals of this size.
The only other company who could make this might be:
http://www.mattnolancustomcymbals.com/
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| www.ecymbals.co.uk |
Posted - 27/04/2012 : 12:48:23
quote:
Originally posted by Adrian
Is that a crash or a ride. I suppose given the history it would be quite washy with sounds of the ocean!!! and certainly not dry.
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| www.ecymbals.co.uk |
Posted - 27/04/2012 : 12:47:42
quote:
Originally posted by teethmeister
So, it wasn't an iceberg after all?
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| teethmeister |
Posted - 27/04/2012 : 11:39:44
quote:
Originally posted by drumdmc
In the loosest sense of the word i suppose you are correct.
Nothing loose about it. The difference between "cast" and "sheet" has been massively over-exaggerated by big cymbal company marketing speak over the years. Granted, there is a crystal grain microsctructure difference between "euro" style cymbals, "turkish" style cymbals, "chinese" style cymbals and roto-cast cymbals, and you can hear it. But, with respect, to say that one is better than another is bunkum. Horses for courses. Celebrate variety!
quote:
Originally posted by jimfisher
nickel silver? cheapskates!! still, 1200 man-hours, let's say conservatively @ £10/hr.. blimey
Actually, Nickel Silver is more expensive than Bronze. The reason they used it is because Bronze sheet is not available that large. As an educated guess, I'd say they've used 80" gong blanks for those cymbals. |
| JKDrummerDude |
Posted - 27/04/2012 : 09:26:03
Interesting mounting system there... |
| weeman |
Posted - 27/04/2012 : 09:09:59
Would make a 'Killer' set of hats for Ronnie Vannucci |
| FenTiger |
Posted - 27/04/2012 : 09:09:13
If only they'd made them with a black Colorsound coating - they'd have been perfect for McMauls monster "Darkstar" kit  . |
| Adrian |
Posted - 26/04/2012 : 23:14:32
Is that a crash or a ride. I suppose given the history it would be quite washy with sounds of the ocean!!! and certainly not dry. |
| jimfisher |
Posted - 26/04/2012 : 20:13:16
nickel silver? cheapskates!! still, 1200 man-hours, let's say conservatively @ £10/hr.. blimey |
| drumdmc |
Posted - 26/04/2012 : 19:09:59
In the loosest sense of the word i suppose you are correct. Much better to make castings into the shape of the product you are producing i would think. Industry has done it for years. |
| www.ecymbals.co.uk |
Posted - 26/04/2012 : 18:49:12
quote:
Originally posted by drumdmc
Are they cast?
Of course, all alloys are cast. |
| drumdmc |
Posted - 26/04/2012 : 18:29:11
Are they cast? |
| teethmeister |
Posted - 26/04/2012 : 17:15:55
So, it wasn't an iceberg after all? |
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