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Scary
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 Posted - 16/04/2012 : 16:20:59
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it's all been said before, sometimes the double standards on this forum sucks.
This has been going on for years. You get some people that come on here can say what they like to whom ever they like and we jump up and down screaming "Please stop this thread"... or "Please ban this person" and we get ignored.
The same when company's get trashed and can nearly go under with the nastiness that goes on, it gets ignored.
Now I'm not saying that my Dad or Fletch were/are angels but they must hold the record for getting banned off this site, but this I feel isn't always justified.
Fletch has been banned yet again and quoted in the reason was the fact that I said "He was the nicest Pr**k on here" And this was in direct answer to PRF calling him the same and PRF's comment wasn't even mentioned.
SO HOW DOES THAT MAKE IT FLETCH's FAULT?
We all know that Fletch does not pull any punches, if your going to poke the lion prepare to be bitten.
I really don't give a flying ****who want's to come on and have a b1tch... because you're worse than a bunch of housewives but at least make it fair when you ban people. 
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mully
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Posted - 16/04/2012 : 16:30:33
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'kinell...what have I missed?
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Scary
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Posted - 16/04/2012 : 16:32:42
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| I want an answer to why someone can be banned for other people calling them names??? |
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Pegdrummer
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 16/04/2012 : 16:54:40
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'kinell...what have I missed?
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Refer to the "a clip from a clinic" post in the Drummers Forum, Mully. |
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Allegro
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 16/04/2012 : 17:15:04
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| This sounds like a subject were you would be better contacting the web site owner directly, instead of posting on a public forum. |
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Rocket
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Posted - 16/04/2012 : 17:15:30
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Scary
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Posted - 16/04/2012 : 17:27:10
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No this is a public forum so should have a public reason for banning someone and you can't be held responsible for the fact others want to have a pop.
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WendyB
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Posted - 16/04/2012 : 17:38:11
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Originally posted by Pegdrummer
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Originally posted by mully
'kinell...what have I missed?
Stephen
Refer to the "a clip from a clinic" post in the Drummers Forum, Mully.
Just caught up with the handbag debacle myself. What a shame that people cannot be more polite. |
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mike dolbear
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Posted - 16/04/2012 : 17:46:00
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Originally posted by Scary
I want an answer to why someone can be banned for other people calling them names???
Firstly, this is a commercial site. It is not a little forum run for friends. It is read by many, many people a day all over the world and is used as a resource by many companies in this (not very big) business.
Secondly, it's my name at the top of the page. To write on the forum means you have accepted the terms and conditions. Please can I suggest that everybody reads them.
If you break any of the rules, then we have the right to ban you. It is at our discretion and yes, maybe in the past it has been relaxed, but when the site is read by more people then we have to take things more seriously.
Without going into too much detail, there are some members on the forum who have a long history for good or bad. Decisions are not taken on small incidents but on histories.
Not connected directly with this, please remember we can easily look at people's IP addresses. We can see when people log in with different names (which incidentally is against T&C) to cause issues or support themselves. This has recently been bought to our attention on a different matter by an online seller who has had issues with the forum community.
But to go back to the matter in hand, when a person is banned, it doesn't necessarily just relate to the thread you may think it does. We have to take everything into account including past history on the site and other threads they may have written on. Only then is a decision made.
So, please do read the T&C and if you don't agree with them, or cannot guarantee you will not break them, then please do not post. |
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Scary
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Posted - 16/04/2012 : 17:49:32
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mike dolbear
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Posted - 16/04/2012 : 17:58:16
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I am sorry to hear that Mary as you have made lots of good friends through this site and hopefully you will re consider when you think about it.
I am not going to go into great detail but maybe you should ask Mark why he got banned before and what kind of personal emails he was sending to Forum members last time.
Its very tough for me running a forum and I am just trying to keep things calm, you only ever see one side of this.
Like i said you will be missed and your always welcome on this forum.
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Mrs P
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Posted - 16/04/2012 : 18:07:57
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I am sorry to hear that Mary as you have made lots of good friends through this site and hopefully you will re consider when you think about it.
I am not going to go into great detail but maybe you should ask Mark why he got banned before and what kind of personal emails he was sending to Forum members last time.
Its very tough for me running a forum and I am just trying to keep things calm, you only ever see one side of this.
Like i said you will be missed and your always welcome on this forum.
It's not often I'm moved to post on the Forum but I whole heartedly agree with your actions Mike. Someone very close to me was greatly affected by one of his personal emails, I'll not go into details but I can assure you Mary it was very upsetting at the time.
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Mr NoChops
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Posted - 16/04/2012 : 20:30:51
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Not going to comment on the specifics of what has happened on here but I must say that last week the accused stood up for me elsewhere on the www like no one else.
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rufusisdrumming
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Posted - 16/04/2012 : 21:04:48
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I think it is impossible to make a decision on Marks character from what we have read or heard, especially for the majority like me who have never met or even had any interaction with him. I can sympathise with him in the fact that I know, or feel that I have come across as a total *insert (derogative) word of choice here* through this forum and how I write in general and that can happen to a lot of people. However some have argued that Mike has been a little heavy handed or has acted unnecessarily. But I think and I believe many will agree with me that actually Mike lets us get away with murder with a lot of what goes on. Unlike many websites and forums it is immediately obvious who owns this site. As he says it is Mikes name written all over the page and how would you feel if (rightly or wrongly) that everything on this forum (viewed my many, many more people then who post) was instantly related to you. I have a feeling that internationally Mike Dolbear's name if far more related to this forum and site then the actual person. So really he has a right to edit and remove a lot more of what has been written here.
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mully
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Posted - 16/04/2012 : 21:32:00
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Am I the only one who thinks there's simply been a misunderstanding that could easily have been sorted by the main protagonists without the surplus of oars?
I've met the boy Goatstarer on a couple of occasions and found him to be unfailingly pleasant and good company. I've also met Josh and found him to be unfailingly pleasant and good company. That's all from me.
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Sharklaar
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Posted - 16/04/2012 : 21:43:24
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Am I the only one who thinks there's simply been a misunderstanding that could easily have been sorted by the main protagonists without the surplus of oars?
I've met the boy Goatstarer on a couple of occasions and found him to be unfailingly pleasant and good company. I've also met Josh and found him to be unfailingly pleasant and good company. That's all from me.
Stephen
Explain? Looks like something hilarious but I don't get it, because I am stoopid.
I come across like a massive tool on here a lot of the time. I'm really not. But then the typed word loses a lot of its expression etc. But there's being a 'bit of a tosser' and having unpopular opinions, and then there's making nasty comments directed at someone in a personal manner, which is less excuseable IMO.
Still, there must be more to the situation than the obvious, these decisions I'm sure aren't taken lightly. |
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Th0mas25
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Posted - 16/04/2012 : 22:07:29
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There's no doubting the man's talents, and I'm sure he CAN be friendly, helpful etc. Personally speaking that hasn't often come across on the forum, but that's fine, everyone is different and that's what makes this an interesting and fun community to be a part of.
The clinic thread aside (and Mary, I don't think Fletch being called a p***k was the issue, but his response to Josh's post) I know there have been quite a few 'issues' over the years. I'm not saying Fletch was the instigator every time but it's obvious Mike's seen enough to take the decision to ban him, and well... he's the boss.
By the way, I'm not sticking my oar in saying he should or shouldn't have been banned, or what a fantastic guy he is or isn't. Simply that Mike will have though about this, has all the facts and we should respect his decision. |
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Mcmaul
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Posted - 16/04/2012 : 22:35:49
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Sharklaar
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Posted - 16/04/2012 : 22:41:45
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There's no doubting the man's talents, and I'm sure he CAN be friendly, helpful etc. Personally speaking that hasn't often come across on the forum, but that's fine, everyone is different and that's what makes this an interesting and fun community to be a part of.
The clinic thread aside (and Mary, I don't think Fletch being called a p***k was the issue, but his response to Josh's post) I know there have been quite a few 'issues' over the years. I'm not saying Fletch was the instigator every time but it's obvious Mike's seen enough to take the decision to ban him, and well... he's the boss.
By the way, I'm not sticking my oar in saying he should or shouldn't have been banned, or what a fantastic guy he is or isn't. Simply that Mike will have though about this, has all the facts and we should respect his decision.
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Rhythm and Blooze
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Posted - 16/04/2012 : 23:49:09
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I'm afraid that over the last 12 months there has been less and less on the forum that interests me, I spend more time looking at the rest of the site.
There are some really good people here, some I feel less on my wavelength and that is the same as when I first found the site 9 years ago.
I have seen this happen before, probably will do again.
It is Mike's site, paid for and run by him. He has ultimate responsibility and therefore ultimate power to do as he sees fit in relation to the T&C's set out. I think it is fair to say that we have generally behaved ourselves, there has been the odd spat and some real nutters that we have mostly dealt with well.
Whilst I might not agree with some of the things Mark F has done, and feel that maybe Mike D has been somewhat hasty this time and a carefully constructed e-mail "off line" might have been more my modus operandi, I don't have that decision to make and must defer to Mike on this.
Shame. I think that the forum ultimately is the loser here |
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MrNoisy
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Posted - 17/04/2012 : 00:08:47
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Originally posted by Rhythm and Blooze
I'm afraid that over the last 12 months there has been less and less on the forum that interests me, I spend more time looking at the rest of the site.
There are some really good people here, some I feel less on my wavelength and that is the same as when I first found the site 9 years ago.
I have seen this happen before, probably will do again.
It is Mike's site, paid for and run by him. He has ultimate responsibility and therefore ultimate power to do as he sees fit in relation to the T&C's set out. I think it is fair to say that we have generally behaved ourselves, there has been the odd spat and some real nutters that we have mostly dealt with well.
Whilst I might not agree with some of the things Mark F has done, and feel that maybe Mike D has been somewhat hasty this time and a carefully constructed e-mail "off line" might have been more my modus operandi, I don't have that decision to make and must defer to Mike on this.
Shame. I think that the forum ultimately is the loser here
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MrNoisy
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Posted - 17/04/2012 : 00:12:34
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On that note .... I am leaving this Forum too.
Sorry Mike but it has been taken over by a bunch of wannabee drummers who have done nothing in the DRUM World
Let them get on with there own sad lives |
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stakka
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Posted - 17/04/2012 : 00:29:05
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| Sorry that you have had this ordeal Mike. From what I have seen you have always acted with integrity, professionalism and fairness wherever possible whilst trying to tread a very difficult line between allowing freedom of expression balanced with the interests of a public forum which is frequented by many more people than just the dominant vocal members, let alone the interests of your own name and reputation. Irrespective of what has gone on and individuals I know little about, when a guy like you takes time to explain your reasons at length about why you have acted accordingly on your own forum then respect is due. |
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Moresushinow
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Posted - 17/04/2012 : 07:14:22
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beezerk
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Posted - 17/04/2012 : 07:47:42
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Sorry Mike but it has been taken over by a bunch of wannabee drummers who have done nothing in the DRUM World
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beezerk
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Posted - 17/04/2012 : 07:51:39
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Originally posted by Moresushinow
From where I'm sitting this is nothing more than the goings on in a girls playground. In fact it does add spice to an otherwise generally dull forum. To show this Fletcher person the door because of some bitchy words is a little extreme in my view.
There's a lot more than meets the eye here mate, don't just make your opinion on one nasty comment to Josh.
I swore I wouldn't get involved however there appears to be a lot of wayward comments being posted, either in the heat of the moment or falsely guided. |
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Moresushinow
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Posted - 17/04/2012 : 07:55:58
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Ok. I am relatively fresh to all this. It's obviously much deeper than it appears on the surface.
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Originally posted by Moresushinow
From where I'm sitting this is nothing more than the goings on in a girls playground. In fact it does add spice to an otherwise generally dull forum. To show this Fletcher person the door because of some bitchy words is a little extreme in my view.
There's a lot more than meets the eye here mate, don't just make your opinion on one nasty comment to Josh.
I swore I wouldn't get involved however there appears to be a lot of wayward comments being posted, either in the heat of the moment or falsely guided.
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Captain Bubble
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Posted - 17/04/2012 : 08:38:13
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Originally posted by stakka
Sorry that you have had this ordeal Mike. From what I have seen you have always acted with integrity, professionalism and fairness wherever possible whilst trying to tread a very difficult line between allowing freedom of expression balanced with the interests of a public forum which is frequented by many more people than just the dominant vocal members, let alone the interests of your own name and reputation. Irrespective of what has gone on and individuals I know little about, when a guy like you takes time to explain your reasons at length about why you have acted accordingly on your own forum then respect is due.
+1
Sorry to learn that Mark has been banned, but it's Mike's forum and Mike has the right to ban anyone for any reason, with or without telling the rest of us.
Very sorry too to hear that Mary and Ted are leaving, please change your minds!
I can only hope that time heals all wounds, and that eventually they all find their way back here.
Despite the occasional spat and any other flaws inherent on any forum it still is a GREAT place for drummers to discuss just about everything openly and share experiences and skills. Let's treasure it and give Mike full thanks and respect for giving us this fine forum.
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althedrummer
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Posted - 17/04/2012 : 08:53:36
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I don't post much here any more for most of the reasons given above, all I'll say is that I've always found Mark to be generous in terms of passing on his vast knowledge of drums & drumming to both myself & my son (as have, I might add, others on this forum.)
As has been said, It's Mikes site & he has to moderate it as he sees fit, but I think there may have been some crossed wires here. |
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Drumheduk
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Posted - 17/04/2012 : 08:55:50
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Sad that people feel the need to be elitist in everything, was always my understanding that the forum was setup to help all aspects of the wider drumming community, I've been in the drum business for well over twenty years now and have had the pleasure of selling kits to thousands of drummers of every type from beginner up to true stars of the industry but my own career has always taken a back seat to other things such as education and having a family, I'm not bitter about this, I'm proud that I've made my living doing what I love and I do LOVE drumming.
To some, this might make me a wannabe, I've never had a hit single, invented anything or played prestige gigs but I am a lifer in the drum business, if I was a new drummer, on this forum, hearing people who should know better going on about people who've "done nothing in the drum world" I'd get the distinct impression that I was unwelcome, the irony being most drummers I've met will bend over backwards to help a fellow drummer, especially one just starting out.
Bring on the wannabes, to be shot down in flames maybe but everyone has to start somewhere.
I remember one bloke called Patch, used to bug me something chronic in store, constantly asking about this lick or showing what he'd just learned, drove me mad but I look back very fondly on him, he's now working in a band I used to be in and is soooooooo much better than me it's just scary and getting better ( unlike me )
So look out behind you, there is always some little wannabe who might just turn out to be the next big thing. |
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luke3030
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Posted - 17/04/2012 : 08:57:07
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From where I'm sitting this is nothing more than the goings on in a girls playground. In fact it does add spice to an otherwise generally dull forum. To show this Fletcher person the door because of some bitchy words is a little extreme in my view.
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jamoca
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Posted - 17/04/2012 : 09:00:18
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Another day in the life of the forum - very sad that great friends, contributors, etc. have had to stop posting here for whatever reason.
I've been a little confused over what's happened here - I can now see how my comment on Fletch's thread could have been misinterpreted (thanks Hugs) but his response didn't bother me all that much, although it did surprise me (as I said on the forum)! Knowing Fletch and having met him many times in the past, I can kind of understand his response - he does have an abrasive nature but just about the most wicked sense of humour, part of me could imagine him doing his toothy smile as I read it again.
This isn't like a certain previous experience I had on the forum a couple of years ago - I've had lots of messages yesterday, some of which asked if I had contacted Mike to ask him to ban Fletch. The answer to that is 'No'.
While I still don't understand what has really happened here, there is wind of history from before I joined the forum (and even started drumming) as to why the decision might have been made for Fletch to be banned - I had nothing to do with it. I do however agree that as contributors and optional members, we must respect Mike's decision to moderate the forum - this is his site.
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crafty
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Posted - 17/04/2012 : 09:25:37
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| In my experience, Mark has been nothing but extremely generous and a gentleman - and a lot more reliable than some people on this forum. He does appear abrasive but again that is not my experience of him in the flesh. What he can't deal with (I'm with him on this one) are those Walter Mitty characters who talk a good match but don't deliver either musically or personally. It's very easy to walk into a forum and make claims but another thing to follow it through. I was confused by Mark's response to Jamoca but I think there was a misunderstanding in the deliver from both sides.(?) |
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logic_user99
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Posted - 17/04/2012 : 09:31:39
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This is Mike's site with Mike's rules; they should be respected to the last. I can see no reason to enter any debate about it. It's a shame that people conducted themselves in a manner deemed unfit for the forum but that's just the way things roll.
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bulbousheed
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Posted - 17/04/2012 : 10:34:05
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Originally posted by Moresushinow
From where I'm sitting this is nothing more than the goings on in a girls playground. In fact it does add spice to an otherwise generally dull forum. To show this Fletcher person the door because of some bitchy words is a little extreme in my view.
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monkeythedrummer
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Posted - 17/04/2012 : 10:35:23
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Obviously to a lot of people there is a disconnect between how someone acts in person and how they act on a public forum. However what we have to remember that Mike has to judge simply what is posted here.
Mike has said quite explicitly this isn't simply about what was said to Josh and Josh doesn't seem to bothered, so there's almost certainly more than meets the eye.
This is Mike's site. It's got his name on it, and he makes the rules.
But what do I know, I'm just a wannabe drummer, right?
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bulbousheed
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Posted - 17/04/2012 : 10:36:38
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Sorry Mike but it has been taken over by a bunch of wannabee drummers who have done nothing in the DRUM World
Classy.
+1 Beez.
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Moresushinow
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Posted - 17/04/2012 : 10:53:28
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I did'nt say the site was dull........... this forum can be dull at times.
This is an exceptional site for drummers.
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Originally posted by luke3030
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Originally posted by Moresushinow
From where I'm sitting this is nothing more than the goings on in a girls playground. In fact it does add spice to an otherwise generally dull forum. To show this Fletcher person the door because of some bitchy words is a little extreme in my view.
this site is dull!? Tell me other drum sites/forums that are better than this one please?
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bulbousheed
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Posted - 17/04/2012 : 10:57:11
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Originally posted by Moresushinow
I did'nt say the site was dull........... this forum can be dull at times.
This is an exceptional site for drummers.
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Originally posted by luke3030
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Originally posted by Moresushinow
From where I'm sitting this is nothing more than the goings on in a girls playground. In fact it does add spice to an otherwise generally dull forum. To show this Fletcher person the door because of some bitchy words is a little extreme in my view.
this site is dull!? Tell me other drum sites/forums that are better than this one please?
Ah right, I read that as site for some reason, but my question remains, name a better forum?
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mike dolbear
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Posted - 17/04/2012 : 10:58:45
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I appreciate all of your comments.
This is the final post I am going to make on this as I would like to move on from this unpleasantness and spend my time reading
interesting and more positive topics.
For the past two weeks I have been away on holiday with my wife and children. While I was away I was first notified via text's and
emails that the Buddy Rich thread and another thread were getting out of control and that Goatstarer had returned.
A couple of days later not one but two emails arrived from people, upset about two separate forum topics and threatening me
with legal action if I did not remove these threads.
After several emails back and forth, including some very heavy ones, and some legal advice, these have been resolved (for now).
Like I said earlier, this was while I was on holiday with MY FAMILY. Only a handful of people on this forum really know me, but those who do understand how precious and important family time is to me.
I was so upset about this situation that I considered closing the forum, but realised that most of the forum is full of supportive and
like minded people who just want to chat and offer opinions.
I know some of you think that I acted too hastily regarding Goatstarer but this was a preventative measure as I can't risk the
situation escalating out of control as it has done in the past; this action was, as I say, PREVENTATIVE and not based on just the posts
you may have read.
You would be very surprised by the amount and level of drummers that look at this forum and participate from all around the world. Most of the big name drummers you talk about on this forum look at those topics; we are all people with feelings and can be affected by thoughtless or off the cuff comments.
I am sorry that some of you have said that you are going to leave but I am not going to let the minority spoil it for the rest. Other
people have been banned for inappropriate behaviour in the past and I will continue to follow up situations and people who break the
terms and conditions of the forum.
Many thanks
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Moresushinow
Very Active Contributer
Brazil
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Posted - 17/04/2012 : 11:01:20
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I suppose at the end of the day ANY forum can be dull at times, not that I frequent any others.
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Originally posted by bulbousheed
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Originally posted by Moresushinow
I did'nt say the site was dull........... this forum can be dull at times.
This is an exceptional site for drummers.
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Originally posted by bulbousheed
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Originally posted by luke3030
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Originally posted by Moresushinow
From where I'm sitting this is nothing more than the goings on in a girls playground. In fact it does add spice to an otherwise generally dull forum. To show this Fletcher person the door because of some bitchy words is a little extreme in my view.
this site is dull!? Tell me other drum sites/forums that are better than this one please?
Ah right, I read that as site for some reason, but my question remains, name a better forum?
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bulbousheed
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
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Moresushinow
Very Active Contributer
Brazil
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Posted - 17/04/2012 : 11:04:27
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Agreed
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Originally posted by bulbousheed
^^much respect to you Mike^^
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Allegro
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17/04/2012 : 11:12:43
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It’s a shame that sometimes people behave in a way that makes Mike consider this type of action.  |
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sludge
Advanced Contributer
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Posted - 17/04/2012 : 11:18:33
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How many of all the drummers in the country are wannabees i wonder, 90%+ ?
They are the ones who buy your products, kit, DVDs, go to clinics and courses and play in all the 'wannabee' bands that keep people entertained to one degree or another :P. They take an interest in what the pros do and how they do it via lessons, courses, clinics, questions, magazine subscriptions etc etc. I doubt if many pros are going to fill the spaces because they dont need to, thats another income stream cut off for those who don't want to be involved with wannebees
I'm sure that if people like Mr Noisy don't want them to bother because they aren't worthy then they would quite happily go somewhere else, if so don't fecking whinge about the results. Let us know what you sell or do drumwise and we can quite happily treat it as pro drummers only as we are not worthy i.e. not buy it! Thats your Ratner moment!
The forum is kindly provided free to us and if its too full of nobodies and the untalented set your own one up where only the pros can join. Personally I read what's interesting and ignore the rest. There are some very talented people here and some not so, however if they can pass on some pearls of wisdom without the attitude then thats very kind. Mr Fry, Blundell etc all seem to be perfectly pleasant people who can inform without looking down on us, soi thanks. Those who make their money from playing and teaching are no doubt aware that there are many many competitors out there so if they are a pita their customers will find someone else.
I think respect Mikes decision to do what he thinks correct, despite what he knew would be a load of questions and difficult times. he knows more about the situation than anyone here and I don't think he needs to explain it all in public.
If people want to leave its a freeish country and in reality there will be new people join and over time they will be the pros etc, life moves on |
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StormBlast
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
1506 Posts |
Posted - 17/04/2012 : 11:39:47
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No idea what the guy has done in the past, but this wasn't bannable in my opinion. He made a sly comment in the understanding that the recipient of said comment has met him in the flesh and therefore knows what he's like!? Understandably it'd look worse to outsiders though..
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gaz farrimond
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
11061 Posts |
Posted - 17/04/2012 : 11:41:53
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I think some people have read what Ted wrote as an attack whereas I see it as a kind of observation.
Compared to Mark, and his position within the British (And Worldwide within his genre) drumming community, many players we look up to are wannabees. (In the same way many still say Mike Portnoy is a wannabee against Neil Peart)
Almost every member of this forum, at some point, has had a run in with Mark over one thing or another: Some churlish, some very, very explosive. As it’s been previously mentioned some of his run-ins with Millsy were legendary and at times lengthy. But, over the years, some of Marks run-ins have been on rather more dangerous ground both legally and morally.
Not yet met Mark, something happened on both occasions we were supposed to meet up that clashed with our schedules. For those who have met him, all say he can be direct and forthright but is also knowledgeable and courteous.
Knowing what has happened in the past, I have to say I support Mike because (And as others have said) the site is under his name and he will be the one initially brought to task; and it has been said many times in these pages that the drumming community, especially in the UK is small.
Unfortunately, sometimes the moderators feel they need to step in and on a site that mainly polices itself, it is seen as a bigger surprise than more volatile sites. But if they do stay away; I will lament the absence of Mary and Ted.
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swampy
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
401 Posts |
Posted - 17/04/2012 : 11:59:53
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Originally posted by MrNoisy
On that note .... I am leaving this Forum too.
Sorry Mike but it has been taken over by a bunch of wannabee drummers who have done nothing in the DRUM World
Let them get on with there own sad lives
erm. I'm a "wannabee drummer who have done nothing in the DRUM World". I've caused no bother, given opinion and help where I can and read many interesting threads to (hopefully) help me become a better drummer.
Who here can honestly say that they don't "wannabe" a better drummer?
Is this site only for accomplished (perfect) drummers? if so what is the point of it? mutual back slapping? |
Mid life crisis kicked in, drum kit bought. It's not quite like cycling though, you forget. A lot! |
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Rhythm and Blooze
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United Kingdom
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