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jimfisher
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Captain Bubble
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mpthomson
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 Posted - 26/04/2012 : 13:35:45
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| At the risk of asking a dim question I'm presuming that's the vellum that's folded at the bottom of the pic of the drum in its case. How is the head secured to the drum and does it need to be removed every time the drum is folded? |
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Captain Bubble
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Posted - 26/04/2012 : 18:57:49
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| You reduce the tension on the T screws until you can pull them out of the claws on the hoops, then the hoops and vellum heads + counter hoops fold over twice. Vellum is more flexible than plastic and better able to cope with folding, but even still its strength and life will be reduced slightly each time it is folded and unfolded. |
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Mcmaul
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Posted - 26/04/2012 : 19:19:06
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| Bet Cj's all over that like a rash!! |
Curator of all things Mahogany duroplastic and Black shadow tinged. |
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capt.wierd
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Posted - 26/04/2012 : 20:10:31
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Captain Bubble
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 26/04/2012 : 20:59:31
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| Took your time getting here, but you would appear to be a happy bunny. |
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Chris Gravestock
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 26/04/2012 : 22:37:46
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| For a real (if unuseable) collector's item, that seems like a bit of a bargain. Congratulations! |
Canopus Club, Paiste 602 and, occasionally, a cocktail kit. |
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capt.wierd
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Posted - 26/04/2012 : 23:46:01
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Originally posted by Captain Bubble
Took your time getting here, but you would appear to be a happy bunny.
Hi Marcus, I've been on that since it first came on Ebay, thanks to an ever alert Fentiger. It is a pretty rare piece of equipment and I would surmise that the bass drum is a collaboration between The Barry Drum Company or Walberg and Auge. So the age has to be between 1935 and 1940.
Carlton catalogs are pretty sparse and from what I have seen, there was no mention of a collapsible bass drum
I had set up a friend to bid in case I couldn't get back to a wi fi location to bid, but I did with an hour to spare. |
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Chris Gravestock
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Posted - 26/04/2012 : 23:48:06
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Originally posted by capt.wierd
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Originally posted by Captain Bubble
Took your time getting here, but you would appear to be a happy bunny.
Hi Marcus, I've been on that since it first came on Ebay, thanks to an ever alert Fentiger. It is a pretty rare piece of equipment and I would surmise that the bass drum is a collaboration between The Barry Drum Company or Walberg and Auge. So the age has to be between 1935 and 1940.
Carlton catalogs are pretty sparse and from what I have seen, there was no mention of a collapsible bass drum
I had set up a friend to bid in case I couldn't get back to a wi fi location to bid, but I did with an hour to spare.
I think there was a bit about this in Drummer magazine a while ago, ot maybe Rhythm. I'll try to look it out. |
Canopus Club, Paiste 602 and, occasionally, a cocktail kit. |
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FenTiger
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Posted - 27/04/2012 : 00:12:13
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I think there was a bit about this in Drummer magazine a while ago, ot maybe Rhythm. I'll try to look it out.
IIRC that was Dion's bass drum. I don't think it was a Carlton, thought I could be wrong.
Nice going CJ 
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Captain Bubble
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 27/04/2012 : 08:17:01
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I remember seeing one of those somewhere, perhaps at Eddie Ryan's old workshop in Covent Garden, or perhaps in the back of Lou Dias's Supreme Drums in Stratford. It may even have been in Matthews Music/Wally's drum shop in Maidstone.
The folding feature seems to me to be a bit of a rigmarole, prone to rattles, likely to wear the heads out, compromise the volume and resonance, and make a kit's set up and packinga away even more time consuming, and that is probably why they are quite rare.
That, of course, does not affect its desirability as an historical curio one jot! |
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capt.wierd
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Posted - 27/04/2012 : 09:31:46
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HI Marcus, way back when, just after the glaciers receded, urban musicians needed a way to cart around their kits on mass transit. This folding bass drum solved that problem somewhat. Kits back then consisted of a bass and snare with the small 14 inch cymbals packed in the snare case.
Once the lugs were tightened, I don't think this thing rattled very much and if you on a jazz gig, small combos, volume wasn't a problem. The bass pedal could be placed inside the elipse formed by the shell pieces inside the case.
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capt.wierd
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Posted - 27/04/2012 : 09:36:35
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Originally posted by FenTiger
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Originally posted by Chris Gravestock
I think there was a bit about this in Drummer magazine a while ago, ot maybe Rhythm. I'll try to look it out.
IIRC that was Dion's bass drum. I don't think it was a Carlton, thought I could be wrong.
Nice going CJ
Thanks, Jeremy
I wish Dion would post once in awhile, he knows alot about this old stuff. He's doing ok, from his last email, just doing the occaisonal gig, now and again |
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Captain Bubble
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Posted - 27/04/2012 : 10:29:43
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| Correct Capt, and hence the adoption of 18" bass drums. What they SHOULD have done is to have waited for 80 years and bought one of my kits! |
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