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theslingerland
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 Posted - 27/04/2012 : 00:01:28
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Lots of very hard working, dedicated and passionate people I've had the pleasure of working with over the years are tonight out of a job.
Maybe at some point people will realise that downloading their favorite bands records illegally will result in there not being any favourite bands...?
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gaz farrimond
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beezerk
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Posted - 27/04/2012 : 07:01:19
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Originally posted by theslingerland
Maybe at some point people will realise that downloading their favorite bands records illegally will result in there not being any favourite bands...?
I'm not saying illegal downloading is right but in some cases it does lead to people buying gig tickets, t-shirts, I-tunes downloads etc.
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bulbousheed
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Posted - 27/04/2012 : 07:38:49
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I'm surprised it's not happened to more labels but I would'nt have predicted it happening to RR.
Will there be any such thing as an "independant" label in 10 years time? |
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theslingerland
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Posted - 27/04/2012 : 07:38:59
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Yeah, it does man, I agree. It also leads to there being no gig, t-shirts or downloads because the label has gone to the wall.
And people losing their jobs. Good, honest, grafting people. Very, very sad. They worked very hard. Man...
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Muttzknuttz1
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Posted - 27/04/2012 : 07:53:31
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I agree about illegal downloading being wrong, but we all need to start looking at new ways of promotion, Labels are dead and buried already, lets be honest, they made there money, i have been signed twice, and looking back it was the biggest mistakes we ever made, both times resulting in the splitting of the band with no product (tshirts or tours) released.
It is a shame that RR are gone, they were a great indie label, but how many bands release there own marerial these days.
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gaz farrimond
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Posted - 27/04/2012 : 08:04:48
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Apparently the Canadian offices have also closed and some US staff will be getting laid off.
Quite a few bands are also due to be released from their contracts.
Not a good day at all. In the 80's, almost everyone I knew in the Thrash/Metal scene looked to Roadrunner as THE label to sign to as it was staffed by people who understood, but more importantly actually liked, the music the label was involved with.
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Captain Bubble
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Yard
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Posted - 27/04/2012 : 08:36:25
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If those that download illegally were to have a product that was freely available for no fee I wonder if they would feel the same?
If you go to work you expect to get paid,musicians are no different.
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Captain Bubble
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Posted - 27/04/2012 : 09:01:59
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The curious thing, as demonstrated by Beezerk's post, is that many people (including a great many musicians) are happy to pay for T shirts, posters, gigs etc, but are absolutely disinclined to pay for recorded music. Recorded music nowadays is just not seen as a "product" which must be bought, but as a "right" for everyone to have.
The international film industry has taken huge steps to protect itself from piracy, and I think a lot of people do have some respect for the idea of paying some sort of price for watching films, by way of companies like Love Film, or cable/satellite film channels, but when it comes to music it is only regarded as a hobby...why is acting not regarded as a hobby?!
The recent controversy over the 2012 Budweiser Coke MacDonalds Ups Wrigleys Kellogs Olympics highlights this attitude and problem...they want musicians to play for free.
Add to that the fact that cheap instruments mean that nowadays there are probably 20 times as many musicians of all levels than there were when I started playing; to get a drum kit meant years of saving, washing cars, picking fruit, etc to finally afford an old drum kit, now they are relatively so cheap that loads of people get them for birthdays or christmas.
Thousands of unsigned musicians like myself are now making their own recordings thanks to modern technology, but there is SO much recorded music available now that the chance of actually getting someone to BUY a CD or PAY to download it is very small.
Then you look at most of the music on TV: it's an almost constant stream of Covers and talent shows, where new musicians (i.e. not singers!) and new music is largely absent.
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logic_user99
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Posted - 27/04/2012 : 09:35:09
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| I'm shocked to say the least. It's a blow for the UK's music scene, a swathe of great bands, and obviously the multitude of people whose jobs are effected. |
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Yard
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Posted - 27/04/2012 : 09:39:54
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The link below is the history of recording studios in the UK.
I have been blessed as I have worked in a lot of them where as a wide eyed teen I was in awe of standing on the spot where my favourite drummers sat recording historic tracks.
I fitted out Trident 2 in Strutton Ground in the late 80's where Genesis,Queen,Jean Michel Jarre and Visage recorded when Rusty Egan co-owned the studio.I got called as my brother in law was in Visage.
Many have now closed including Olympic where many classic albums were made by The Stones,Led Zepellin and Eric Clapton.I was invited to visit as U2 were the last to record there after we recorded EC's last album.
Mark Knopfler has British Grove which was built from scratch to a very,very high standard equal if not better than Olympic.
As the Captain says many are recording at home and the industry is rapidly changing.
If you do not pay your dues eventually you will be listening to elevator music by JLS types. |
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beezerk
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Posted - 27/04/2012 : 09:50:39
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Originally posted by Captain Bubble
The curious thing, as demonstrated by Beezerk's post, is that many people (including a great many musicians) are happy to pay for T shirts, posters, gigs etc, but are absolutely disinclined to pay for recorded music. Recorded music nowadays is just not seen as a "product" which must be bought, but as a "right" for everyone to have.
I know in my case it's partially to do with rip off prices and some of the stuff I "get" cannot be bought from high street retailers or even Amazon etc. Besides, Simon Cowell and all that bunch have a lot to answer for regarding turning the mainstream music industry into nothing more than a vacuous money making machine with throw away "groups" and music giving the perception that music nowadays is totally worthless. I cringe every time I hear a minor chord now when I used to love it.
Blaming it solely on piracy though is wrong though IMO, in the current climate I'm surprised more labels haven't gone to the wall and bands won't just pack in because their label has gone tats up, they'll move on I imagine.
Metal has always been an underground thing, proper metal anyway, not your insipid Metallica or other sell out "pop/emo metal bands". |
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benjisonfire
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Yard
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Posted - 27/04/2012 : 10:12:51
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Metallica never sold out...they just have millions of fans who like their stuff,that being the difference between your bands and them!!
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Grahame B
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Posted - 27/04/2012 : 10:16:57
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beezerk
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Posted - 27/04/2012 : 10:30:43
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Metallica never sold out...they just have millions of fans who like their stuff,that being the difference between your bands and them!!
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Captain Bubble
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Posted - 27/04/2012 : 10:47:51
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| It is easy to blame Simon Cowdung, just as it is easy to hate paparazzi , but they thrive because millions of people love their muck. I am not having a go at anyone who gets stuff "cheap", I understand why, but feel that free music particularly seems to be considered a right. People will happily buy cheap clothing even if they know it is made by child slaves in Eastern sweat shops, but they do at least expect to pay a little for it, whereas with music there seems to be a view that it should be free. |
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JGodsall
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Posted - 27/04/2012 : 10:57:39
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Originally posted by Captain Bubble
with music there seems to be a view that it should be free.
The problem is possibly that it is free. It's everywhere, in intangible forms at least (primarily radio): at home, in the car, at the shops, in films and TV programmes, etc. etc.
Once you take the physical object out of the equation of ownership - with mp3s and cloud music - I think you lose an important distinction. Most people wouldn't steal a CD, after all. And now that distinction has been lost, I doubt that it's coming back - you're not going to persuade everyone who obtains music for free to suddenly start paying for it. So it's up to the music industry to find another way of making money. The Napster phenomenon was over a decade ago, and it seems they still haven't got a clue. |
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beezerk
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Posted - 27/04/2012 : 10:59:38
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Originally posted by Captain Bubble
with music there seems to be a view that it should be free.
So it's up to the music industry to find another way of making money. The Napster phenomenon was over a decade ago, and it seems they still haven't got a clue.
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www.ecymbals.co.uk
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Posted - 27/04/2012 : 13:20:37
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It is easy to blame Simon Cowdung, just as it is easy to hate paparazzi , but they thrive because millions of people love their muck. I am not having a go at anyone who gets stuff "cheap", I understand why, but feel that free music particularly seems to be considered a right. People will happily buy cheap clothing even if they know it is made by child slaves in Eastern sweat shops, but they do at least expect to pay a little for it, whereas with music there seems to be a view that it should be free.
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beezerk
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Posted - 27/04/2012 : 13:27:13
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Originally posted by www.ecymbals.co.uk
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Originally posted by Captain Bubble
It is easy to blame Simon Cowdung, just as it is easy to hate paparazzi , but they thrive because millions of people love their muck. I am not having a go at anyone who gets stuff "cheap", I understand why, but feel that free music particularly seems to be considered a right. People will happily buy cheap clothing even if they know it is made by child slaves in Eastern sweat shops, but they do at least expect to pay a little for it, whereas with music there seems to be a view that it should be free.
There's some great stuff on Britain's Got Talent.
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JKDrummerDude
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Posted - 27/04/2012 : 13:34:36
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Originally posted by beezerk
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Originally posted by www.ecymbals.co.uk
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Originally posted by Captain Bubble
It is easy to blame Simon Cowdung, just as it is easy to hate paparazzi , but they thrive because millions of people love their muck. I am not having a go at anyone who gets stuff "cheap", I understand why, but feel that free music particularly seems to be considered a right. People will happily buy cheap clothing even if they know it is made by child slaves in Eastern sweat shops, but they do at least expect to pay a little for it, whereas with music there seems to be a view that it should be free.
There's some great stuff on Britain's Got Talent.
The end credits?
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Yard
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Posted - 27/04/2012 : 13:52:00
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Originally posted by Captain Bubble
with music there seems to be a view that it should be free.
So it's up to the music industry to find another way of making money. The Napster phenomenon was over a decade ago, and it seems they still haven't got a clue.
Well put.
No different to shoplifting? You have a product,put it into a store and its your problem to stop it being stolen?
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beezerk
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Posted - 27/04/2012 : 13:59:35
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Originally posted by beezerk
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Originally posted by JGodsall
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with music there seems to be a view that it should be free.
So it's up to the music industry to find another way of making money. The Napster phenomenon was over a decade ago, and it seems they still haven't got a clue.
Well put.
No different to shoplifting? You have a product,put it into a store and its your problem to stop it being stolen?
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JGodsall
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Posted - 27/04/2012 : 14:00:50
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I doubt that you can stop it being 'stolen' (it's debatable whether the concept of theft is applicable) in this case. Hence 'another way of making money' as I said. The old business model doesn't work. |
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beezerk
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Yard
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Posted - 27/04/2012 : 14:41:15
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Come and have a word with a few musicians I know about their royalty cheques and see if you have the same selfish views after?
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JGodsall
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Posted - 27/04/2012 : 15:20:03
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Is that directed at me? I have no idea what the 'selfish views' you're referring to are. |
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JGodsall
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Posted - 27/04/2012 : 15:23:22
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| The only real view I've posited, as far as I can tell (in both my previous posts on this topic), is that the old business model doesn't work in the current climate. So... speaking to some musicians who (I presume) aren't getting much money through royalties will change that? |
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Jeffskowski
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Posted - 27/04/2012 : 15:25:09
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It is the difference between owning a music collection and listening to a music collection. I can listen to everything I own, out there on the internet. I could burn all my records, tapes, cd's and still be able to listen to those songs somewhere. These days your average person doesn't "own" anything. Everything is bought on credit, so the notion of actually pulling £10 notes out of your pocket and getting something in return has almost completely disappeared. To be honest, when CD's took over from Vinyl I felt short changed. With Vinyl I had a big 'thing' to take home. Stuff to read. You had to care for it, keep it clean. there was a physical and cerebral interaction with an object in order to get the music out. It meant something. What's an .mp3? You can't see it, touch it or put it on a shelf. It's not right but it is a sign of the times. The perceived value of everything in todays society is almost zero these days. If the record companies want to survive they need to offer more than they are. If they don't then music will still be made and I have no doubt that the artists will see MORE of the money. Cutting out the middle man can be beneficial.
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Sharklaar
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Posted - 27/04/2012 : 15:42:09
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So how do you make money these days then.....
It seems that FarceBook and YouTube are becoming quite profitable, but not on a massive scale, via advertising. If you get a few million hits a month on your YouTube channel, you're going to make a few quid from it. Same if you've got 50,000 'friends' on Farcebook - your reach is fairly immense from an advertising point of view. |
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moosetication
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Posted - 27/04/2012 : 16:17:19
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If you get a few million hits a month on your YouTube channel, you're going to make a few quid from it.
"Few" being the operative word, when you consider the much-publicized and arresting statistic that Lady Gaga earned, from a million plays on Spotify, $167. |
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Yard
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Posted - 27/04/2012 : 16:30:21
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Is that directed at me? I have no idea what the 'selfish views' you're referring to are.
No it wasn't directed at you.
It beggars belief (a mild term for Forum use) that anyone can believe that creative people who write songs are wide open to being ripped off legally and royally and that it is just?
Record companies are the springboard for bands to release new material and as with shops,no profit,no business as with RR?
Most CDs are the price of a packet of fags these days,so as for being ripped off it is nonsense.
Anyone illegally downloading should be shafted by PRS.
Shops,Hotels,Pubs,Clubs and any businesses playing any form of music Live,CD or Radio pay for a licence. |
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JGodsall
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Posted - 27/04/2012 : 16:44:36
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Anyone illegally downloading should be shafted by PRS.
Personally I don't think that suing the **** out of a load of teenagers is the answer. There might be some short-term gains from doing so, but in the long run the industry would just end up alienating a whole generation of potential consumers.
This survey from a few years ago makes for interesting reading:
http://www.ukmusic.org/research/music-consumption-in-14-to-24-year-olds
Among the respondents (over 1,800 'representative' UK 14-24 year olds), 61% download music illegally using P2P sites, with 83% of those doing so on at least a weekly basis. That's a lot of people to 'shaft'. The AVERAGE digital music collection of the respondents apparently contains 8,159 tracks - 800ish albums. Which is shocking.
If I had the solution I wouldn't be sat here - I'd be making my fortune as the saviour of the record industry.
I do, however, think that the first step towards a solution is to accept the need to adapt, rather than attempting to apply the old model to the new situation.
The story so far, I think, is that the record industry had a good run, but have failed to anticipate and/or react well enough to changes in the way we (want to) consume music. The way it's going, my feeling is that a particular era of musical production is coming to an end (with any 'golden age' quite a way gone), and a new one is starting, probably with – as Jeffskowski suggests – less power in the hands of 'middle-men'. For better or for worse? Wait and see. |
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JGodsall
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Yard
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Posted - 27/04/2012 : 16:56:11
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The music industry is working on it but as with everything the transition will take awhile.
Bands do make money on Merchandising,Record companies do not.
One without the other will eventually lead to us listening to drum'n'bass concocted on a laptop in a bedsit with free listening for all.
God help us!
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Jeffskowski
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Posted - 27/04/2012 : 16:57:44
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So why do companies like RR go under when there are new Labels cropping up all the time that seem to be flourishing? Are they just out of touch with what the listeners and the Artists want?
I agree that you should be paid for the work you do but something is amiss if a long standing company just cant make enough money to stay afloat, let alone make a profit.
Maybe it is because you can hear the whole record before you buy it nowadays. In the olden days you bought an album based on the single and if the album was carp, it was tough luck.
.69p gets you the song you want and the band/label loses an album sale in todays marketplace. This has nothing to do with illegal downloads but would surely have an impact on turnover? |
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stickboy
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Posted - 27/04/2012 : 16:58:41
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Originally posted by JGodsall
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Originally posted by Yard
Anyone illegally downloading should be shafted by PRS.
Personally I don't think that suing the **** out of a load of teenagers is the answer. There might be some short-term gains from doing so, but in the long run the industry would just end up alienating a whole generation of potential consumers.
This survey from a few years ago makes for interesting reading:
http://www.ukmusic.org/research/music-consumption-in-14-to-24-year-olds
Among the respondents (over 1,800 'representative' UK 14-24 year olds), 61% download music illegally using P2P sites, with 83% of those doing so on at least a weekly basis. That's a lot of people to 'shaft'. The AVERAGE digital music collection of the respondents apparently contains 8,159 tracks - 800ish albums. Which is shocking.
If I had the solution I wouldn't be sat here - I'd be making my fortune as the saviour of the record industry.
I do, however, think that the first step towards a solution is to accept the need to adapt, rather than attempting to apply the old model to the new situation.
The story so far, I think, is that the record industry had a good run, but have failed to anticipate and/or react well enough to changes in the way we (want to) consume music. The way it's going, my feeling is that a particular era of musical production is coming to an end (with any 'golden age' quite a way gone), and a new one is starting, probably with – as Jeffskowski suggests – less power in the hands of 'middle-men'. For better or for worse? Wait and see.
I'd agree with much of your analysis but doubt that the future will be devoid of "middle-men" - different ones maybe. A musician's income in the future is most likely going to be made up from a variety of revenue streams, some of which may individually be very small (as Moose pointed out above). Musicians I would have thought will need someone (be it record company, publisher, collecting society, manager, promotor, agent etc etc) to gather in this income while they concentrate on making music. |
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stickboy
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rufusisdrumming
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Posted - 27/04/2012 : 18:02:45
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| This has hit me quite hard. I listen to a lot of metal and generally heavy music, mostly bought from HMV and a few from itunes. Any music I did ever Illegally download was when I was a lot younger and was pretty much all from the top ten. now I have 2000+ tracks of music I've saved up for. I find that amongst my generation I tends to be the people that listen to pop (hip-hop/rap/****e) that illegally download. anyone I know that listens to actual bands all buy our music, music just seems to have so much value when I buy it. I sit down and listen to the whole album through (then try and drum to it). The news that RR are closing down really saddens me as just in the 80s many dreams of mine have included RR. |
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beezerk
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Posted - 27/04/2012 : 19:21:28
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Come and have a word with a few musicians I know about their royalty cheques and see if you have the same selfish views after?
Are you going to invite along the millions and millions of others who do it as well?
Oh and also invite those who watch live sports on those streaming websites, it's exactly the same thing but how many neigh sayers do that?
Maybe you could also invite all those from this forum who emailled asking me how you download music and stuff 
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Yard
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Posted - 27/04/2012 : 19:38:14
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As you are a benevolent type maybe you could do it for me?
I don't agree with free lunches so I'll be out earning money to pay for the pleasures in life.
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beezerk
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Sharklaar
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Posted - 27/04/2012 : 22:31:07
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If you get a few million hits a month on your YouTube channel, you're going to make a few quid from it.
"Few" being the operative word, when you consider the much-publicized and arresting statistic that Lady Gaga earned, from a million plays on Spotify, $167.
Spotify though is notorious for being incredibly tight about these things. I'm aware of a handful of YouTube artists that make a decent enough living out of it to get by. Not saying it's easy but it can happen.
But when nobody is buying records any more, online presence and reach is going to turn out to be one of the better ways to make some dorrar out of our profession. |
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Captain Bubble
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So if the financial future for musicians is by making You Tube videos etc, then basically being a musician is not enough. You have to be a TV/film star, Celeb, dancer, model or film producer to be able to make anything which will get enough views, and hold the public's attention for more than 2.7 seconds!
Also, some musicians have always had a slight grumble at how much money the record companies make from their work, but it seems to me that You Tube, Spotify etc are making enormous sums of money and paying the musicians peanuts. When you compare the relative profits of each party the only conclusion you can draw is that it is a modern technology-based form of slave labour. |
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theslingerland
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Posted - 28/04/2012 : 09:20:09
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Originally posted by Captain Bubble
with music there seems to be a view that it should be free.
The problem is possibly that it is free. It's everywhere, in intangible forms at least (primarily radio): at home, in the car, at the shops, in films and TV programmes, etc. etc.
Interestingly enough - all of those things you mention there aren't free at all and make good money for the artists. |
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gaz farrimond
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Posted - 28/04/2012 : 09:55:11
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There's a lot of interesting comments around the bazaars regarding Roadrunner and what has happened to it. There is some speculation that Roadrunner didn't perform as well as expected by Warner Music Group after they bought a controlling interest a few years ago, so Warner are cutting back to try and recoup some of their investment.
Illegal downloading may have been one of many contributing factors to what is happening to Roadrunner, but I think there are many, many others with a bigger impact that we know nothing about. One cynic on Drumsmith even suggests all Warner wanted when they bought up the controlling interest was Nickelback and their back catalogue.
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Grahame B
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Posted - 28/04/2012 : 10:29:29
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Originally posted by gaz farrimond
There's a lot of interesting comments around the bazaars regarding Roadrunner and what has happened to it. There is some speculation that Roadrunner didn't perform as well as expected by Warner Music Group after they bought a controlling interest a few years ago, so Warner are cutting back to try and recoup some of their investment.
Illegal downloading may have been one of many contributing factors to what is happening to Roadrunner, but I think there are many, many others with a bigger impact that we know nothing about. One cynic on Drumsmith even suggests all Warner wanted when they bought up the controlling interest was Nickelback and their back catalogue.
Yes
Warners ( amongst other corporations ) have a bit of a history as asset strippers.
I'll even quote myself here :
'If they hadn't sold their soul to Warners, they'd still be here.'
I'm not convinced by the big media companies wringing their hands over free downloads destroying the industry - they're still making huge amounts of money, just not quite as much as they think they could. |
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Yard
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Posted - 28/04/2012 : 10:39:10
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Its the same with EMI after they fell into the 'hands' of Guy Hands a known asset stripper who sold Olympic Studios to meet the repayments that were due.
Record companies would make more money if they stopped employing hoards of 20 year olds to turn up at gigs to ask if everything is ok,do nothing and then clear off?
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