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Badman_batman
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 Posted - 03/05/2012 : 23:50:44
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After all of you said not to worry about my doubles and that it will happen, i have just sat and done a full minute of doubles at speed and thanks to dom i finally realised you dont actually ave to move the wrist twice you just let the stick double bounce and catch it
It clicked and i couldnt be happier lol i know is sad but big achievement for me as its been one of my vice aka pain in the ar*e |
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moosetication
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 03/05/2012 : 23:59:17
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Um, I think you need to look up "vice" in the dictionary. Having double stroke rolls as a "vice" would be ... unusual.
The definitive material on different double stroke techniques is in Jojo Mayer's DVD. The point at which you go from "muscling" both strokes to controlling the bounce is dependent on the combination of tempo, surface, and you. |
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Badman_batman
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/05/2012 : 00:02:56
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moose i have no idea what you just said but i agree and my doubles have been very unusual lol
All i have ever been doing is trying to "muscle" the doubles and i think thats why i could never get speed from them |
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NCEL
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/05/2012 : 00:28:25
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Vice [vahys]
noun
1.
an immoral or evil habit or practice.
2.
immoral conduct; depraved or degrading behavior: a life of vice. Synonyms: depravity, sin, iniquity, wickedness, corruption.
3.
sexual immorality, especially prostitution.
4.
a particular form of depravity.
It's always nice when you finally 'get' a concept, and can move forward. Well played, sir. |
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Badman_batman
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/05/2012 : 00:48:05
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Originally posted by NCEL
quote:
Vice [vahys]
noun
1.
an immoral or evil habit or practice.
2.
immoral conduct; depraved or degrading behavior: a life of vice. Synonyms: depravity, sin, iniquity, wickedness, corruption.
3.
sexual immorality, especially prostitution.
4.
a particular form of depravity.
It's always nice when you finally 'get' a concept, and can move forward. Well played, sir.
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Drumheduk
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bulbousheed
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/05/2012 : 07:48:01
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| Nowadays the only VICE I have is in me garage. :-( |
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nick65
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Posted - 04/05/2012 : 08:23:03
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well done.Its great when you achieve a technique you've been working at,and you do it,and say to your self,''what was so hard about that''?
keep on keeping on feller. |
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logic_user99
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/05/2012 : 09:00:18
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To play devil's advocate for a second; don't discount the muscular action of 'playing out' a double stroke. If you come to rely on the bounce of the stick - the rebound of your drum - and finger control, you're going to lose something along the way.
Start slow, play out every stroke of your doubles, work the tempo up, and only then let the bounce take over. |
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dogface
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/05/2012 : 09:58:27
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Originally posted by Badman_batman
After all of you said not to worry about my doubles and that it will happen, i have just sat and done a full minute of doubles at speed and thanks to dom i finally realised you dont actually ave to move the wrist twice you just let the stick double bounce and catch it
It clicked and i couldnt be happier lol i know is sad but big achievement for me as its been one of my vice aka pain in the ar*e
Excuse my ignorance, but isn't that the whole point of doubles? Two hits with one wrist movement is a double stroke. Two hits with two wrist movements isn't a double stroke, it's just two single strokes with the same hand. Or have I got that wrong? I'm not a technical or "schooled" drummer - just a bluffer, really. |
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moosetication
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moosetication
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Posted - 04/05/2012 : 10:04:10
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Originally posted by logic_user99
If you come to rely on the bounce of the stick - the rebound of your drum - and finger control, you're going to lose something along the way.
Like, for example, the ability to play doubles on a floor tom. |
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teethmeister
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/05/2012 : 10:13:24
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Bravo! Well done. I remember this kind of thing happening a lot when I was doing formal learning of drum playing. Sometimes you suddenly see how to do something. Sometimes your subconscious works on it for you and the next time you try it - after a break (breaks are important!) - it just clicks.
Good point Moose. It is well worth practising doubles moving around the whole kit. Not as fast as a double stroke roll. But great for training the brain and hands to react to the changing levels of surface bounce between different drums and on cymbals. Something like a repeating RRLLRRLL that is, say, ride, snare, floor tom, hats. Work on getting the timing and levels as even as you can. |
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eddiewilson
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/05/2012 : 10:38:16
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It's taken me 12 years and I finally reached a point I'm happy with my doubles in the last 8 months or so. Now to get them above 80 bpm....
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halfDeadMuffinMan
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United Kingdom
95 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2012 : 14:07:59
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| The thing that really helped for me was when I switched my grip from my index finger to my middle. Took me ages to get used to it but I found I could grip the stick more loosely, which really seems to help with doubles, etc. |
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Badman_batman
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
667 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2012 : 14:46:58
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| I have taken the sticks everywhere with me today and loving taping on every surface, my work mates have started to form a mob to kill me but I will go a happy man |
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blueasajewel
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Canada
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Posted - 04/05/2012 : 16:10:40
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| Congratulations - I find it's almost like an out of body experience when something finally clicks - I see what my hands are doing but can't quite figure out how they're doing it! I've learned to just accept it. |
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Badman_batman
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
667 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2012 : 16:22:19
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| ^ I agree, keep looking at my hands and thinking this cant be me, certainly dont feel like me playing |
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