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Stomper
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United Kingdom
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 Posted - 11/05/2012 : 20:03:03
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Having always picked my cymbals from stock by playing them in the shop.
How safe is it to order,say a Dream Bliss vintage from a retailer and get a cymbal that sounds as near as dammit to the You Tube demo sound files. Has anyone any advise. |
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www.ecymbals.co.uk
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
6210 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2012 : 20:11:58
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| It's safer with Paiste. |
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Stomper
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
375 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2012 : 20:19:33
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| Not keen on Paiste, in fact I`d be trading a 602. I prefer the dirtier K sound than the clinical silvery Paiste sound. |
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flurbs
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
4896 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2012 : 20:35:33
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Originally posted by Stomper
How safe is it to order,say a Dream Bliss vintage from a retailer and get a cymbal that sounds as near as dammit to the You Tube demo sound files. Has anyone any advise.
Not very 'safe'. With Chinese-style hot hammered cymbals there's a load of variation in the "blank" before it even gets to the shaping stage so they are the most inconsistent of cymbals. As Julian said, Paiste have sourcing and processing down to a fine art, but if chinese-style is what floats your boat then it'll always be a crapshoot if the cymbal in question isn't right in front of you.
If you like the one in the Youtube demo, then that's the one to try and buy! |
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metallicpearl
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Gapwedge
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United Kingdom
1004 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2012 : 20:54:18
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quote:
Originally posted by Stomper
Not keen on Paiste, in fact I`d be trading a 602. I prefer the dirtier K sound than the clinical silvery Paiste sound.
Maybe check out some of the Paiste dark energy or traditional series. You might be surprised. |
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bERb
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
2334 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2012 : 21:11:04
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| I love Paiste's but they don't seem to last as long as other top brands. |
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luke3030
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
12879 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2012 : 21:16:12
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| For what you are going to pay for a Dream, its worth the risk of just ordering it. |
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benjisonfire
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United Kingdom
4843 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2012 : 21:26:06
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I quite like it when cymbals arn't consistent. makes it feel more like a musical instrument and less like a mechanical thing you know?
nothing quite as nice as picking out the one that sounds great to you and it feeling special! |
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drummerNick
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United Kingdom
859 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2012 : 21:28:44
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| do NOT buy a Dream cymbal without trying it first. They are fantastic cymbals, as musical as a K but the logo freaks don't like them. But they all sound very different. Some even within the same range sound completely different and you might not get on with it. It's not just Dream cymbals, I have just bought a Zildjian K Custom 16 dark crash and it sounds revolting, I am used to this model and have in the past been very happy. I just have a duff one. It happens. Stomper:- I have 18 Zildjian Ks here as well as some nice pre serial 602 Paiste cymbals. I much prefer the 602 sound to even the EAK. PM me if you want a list. I'm up for swapping out some Ks for 602s |
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drumdmc
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/05/2012 : 01:09:19
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You really have to try a cymbal in a shop to see what it sounds like. Not all shops have sufficent stock!
You can listen to a million sound files online and whilst Paiste sound samples are great not everyones speakers replicate the correct sound.
I like an individual sound, not a disc matched up to a master cymbal but everyone is different. Not everyone can go to a cymbal factory and hand select their own cymbals from the vault but i have been able to and get their selection signed by the owners and not in Turkey where cymbal makers are ten a penny and replicating the same old stuff! |
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luke3030
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/05/2012 : 01:23:51
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| Even if you listen to it in a shop, its prob going to sound different when set up in a venue with your kit. |
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www.ecymbals.co.uk
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
6210 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2012 : 07:00:57
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Originally posted by Stomper
Not keen on Paiste, in fact I`d be trading a 602. I prefer the dirtier K sound than the clinical silvery Paiste sound.
Stomper, good on you but as you asked about consistency it was a no brainer for me to mention Paiste. |
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monkeythedrummer
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United Kingdom
9190 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2012 : 10:43:14
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I'd try before you buy with Dreams if possible.
They are awesome but inconsistent. Never heard a dog, but some seem much sweeter than others myself. |
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Prog
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United Kingdom
21202 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2012 : 11:17:08
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Originally posted by bERb
I love Paiste's but they don't seem to last as long as other top brands.
Eh? |
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luke3030
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United Kingdom
12879 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2012 : 11:19:14
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Originally posted by Prog
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Originally posted by bERb
I love Paiste's but they don't seem to last as long as other top brands.
Eh?
Eh aswell.  |
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www.ecymbals.co.uk
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
6210 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2012 : 12:04:51
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| I'll raise your eh's to eh? + eh? |
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gaz farrimond
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United Kingdom
11111 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2012 : 12:30:38
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Jeez... It's like being back in Edinburgh, eh?
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benjisonfire
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United Kingdom
4843 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2012 : 13:22:48
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| I think more Paistes seem to come up on ebay cracked... but that might be to do with the mentality of some of the drummers who like them. they do seem to attract the heavy crowd, or at least that's what I had noticed of the last few bands I had seen... |
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moosetication
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United Kingdom
12097 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2012 : 13:57:57
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Originally posted by drummerNick
do NOT buy a Dream cymbal without trying it first.
I've bought all my Dreams without trying them. |
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luke3030
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United Kingdom
12879 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2012 : 14:47:48
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Originally posted by moosetication
quote:
Originally posted by drummerNick
do NOT buy a Dream cymbal without trying it first.
I've bought all my Dreams without trying them.
Me too. |
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Prog
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
21202 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2012 : 15:16:38
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For the sake of balance, I've never bought a Dream cymbal.  |
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paiste
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398 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2012 : 16:52:44
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Originally posted by benjisonfire
I think more Paistes seem to come up on ebay cracked... but that might be to do with the mentality of some of the drummers who like them. they do seem to attract the heavy crowd, or at least that's what I had noticed of the last few bands I had seen...
I seem to think that the signature crashes tend to crack. Maybe they are a thinner cymbal. Actually come to think of it I see far more A customs cracked on ebay? maybe it's what we search for?? |
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www.ecymbals.co.uk
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
6210 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2012 : 21:54:32
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Originally posted by Prog
For the sake of balance, I've never bought a Dream cymbal.
Prog, I like your consistency. |
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benjisonfire
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United Kingdom
4843 Posts |
Posted - 13/05/2012 : 01:19:23
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Originally posted by paiste
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Originally posted by benjisonfire
I think more Paistes seem to come up on ebay cracked... but that might be to do with the mentality of some of the drummers who like them. they do seem to attract the heavy crowd, or at least that's what I had noticed of the last few bands I had seen...
I seem to think that the signature crashes tend to crack. Maybe they are a thinner cymbal. Actually come to think of it I see far more A customs cracked on ebay? maybe it's what we search for??
I'm going on a long term general sort of search (I like using cracked up cymbals sometimes!)
Recently I had been looking into giving paiste more of a chance as I had previously just judged them as 'not for me' because of Alpha, and 2002 rides (neither of which I like and people seem to highly rate) and the branding they (Paiste) seem to go with. which generally was more rock.
so I ignored all that stuff and bought a 2002 crash thinking it's time to put one to use live and in context... now I need to move it on, that sound just isn't for me. great, but not my sound. |
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www.ecymbals.co.uk
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United Kingdom
6210 Posts |
Posted - 13/05/2012 : 08:09:53
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Originally posted by benjisonfire
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Originally posted by paiste
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Originally posted by benjisonfire
I think more Paistes seem to come up on ebay cracked... but that might be to do with the mentality of some of the drummers who like them. they do seem to attract the heavy crowd, or at least that's what I had noticed of the last few bands I had seen...
I seem to think that the signature crashes tend to crack. Maybe they are a thinner cymbal. Actually come to think of it I see far more A customs cracked on ebay? maybe it's what we search for??
I'm going on a long term general sort of search (I like using cracked up cymbals sometimes!)
Recently I had been looking into giving paiste more of a chance as I had previously just judged them as 'not for me' because of Alpha, and 2002 rides (neither of which I like and people seem to highly rate) and the branding they (Paiste) seem to go with. which generally was more rock.
so I ignored all that stuff and bought a 2002 crash thinking it's time to put one to use live and in context... now I need to move it on, that sound just isn't for me. great, but not my sound.
Here's some 2002s that I supplied that I think sound great:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlSnnLrxHJA
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benjisonfire
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United Kingdom
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Stomper
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United Kingdom
375 Posts |
Posted - 15/05/2012 : 11:17:16
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Oh dear I hope I haven`t set off a "lets slag off Paiste war".
Thanks to all who offered sound advise.
Newcastle seems to be the nearest who have a complete range of Dream cymbals,so I might get a lift from my daughter as she visits there for work reasons,"save on fuel costs as she has a company car and I`m a tight Yorkshire pensioner". Has any one had the Dream 20" Paper thin crash,would it work as a crash/ride - left side ride.? |
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dwpaddy
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Ireland
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Posted - 15/05/2012 : 11:24:11
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Originally posted by www.ecymbals.co.uk
It's safer with Paiste.
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dwpaddy
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Ireland
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Posted - 15/05/2012 : 11:25:08
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Originally posted by www.ecymbals.co.uk
I'll raise your eh's to eh? + eh?
Might I be permitted to chuck in my own eh? |
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JKDrummerDude
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United Kingdom
269 Posts |
Posted - 15/05/2012 : 14:45:17
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I bought a Dream Lion China blind, and I'll probably move it on, as I prefer the stagg one I also have. In general I'd test every cymbal before buying, particularly Dream, Stagg, and Zildjian.
Last time I looked at Paiste cymbals, I found them all really consistent. I didn't like the crashes, but the rides and hats were great. That was about 15 years ago, and I only got to look at either 2002's or the old Brasstones (which aren't the most professional of cymbals to be fair) My criticisms were much the same across the paiste ranges though - although the 2002's were nicer to my ears. |
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Shaggi
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 15/05/2012 : 16:22:40
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I think peeps are doing a disservice to Chinese cymbals.
I've ordered 'a lot' of Stagg's (albeit the upper end of their ranges) on spec, and never been disappointed. Yes, there are variations, but either the shops are doing an amazing job of filtering for us (doubtful, I know they come in from the supplier and then straight out to mail order) or the variations that occur are just that ... One cymbal not sounding identical to it's brother doesn't mean it's a dud.
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drummerNick
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United Kingdom
859 Posts |
Posted - 16/05/2012 : 23:37:21
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| Over the last year I have been buying Zildjian Ks. Constantinople big rides, crashes, K rides and crashes etc. 17 cymbals in total. A few I have bought just because they were silly bargains, some because I had tried them in shops or at some point in the past. At one point I had 2 17" K Custom dark crashes, both similar in age, both totally different in sound and feel. They vary tremendously. Of the 17 cymbals I have now, two are keepers. A 16" K Constantinople crash and a 20" K Crash Ride. During the last month I have been buying 505s and 602s. I bought a pair of black label hats (thanks to a heads up on this thread) and a pair of green label mid 80s. Both pairs are mediums. I cannot tell the difference between them. That is consistency, I am really impressed. With my new train of thought heading towards Paiste again I decided to hunt out some 602s. I bought two rides, 20 and 22 and a couple of pairs of hats, all pre serial. I love mixing up hats using different tops and bottoms etc, so I decided to buy a another later 602 top on ebay a couple of weeks ago and yes, it sounded identical to my other 602 top, possibly 15 years between them in age. I decided to contact Paiste direct and asked them about the alloys and various logos on the 602 range. I was told the blue labels are mastered from a very old cymbal and tonally matched to it. The alloy is as close as spit to the early ones too. I am so blown away with the 602s, so look out for a big pile of Ks in the next few weeks on ebay!!! |
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martydrums
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United Kingdom
6210 Posts |
Posted - 17/05/2012 : 09:17:38
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Originally posted by gaz farrimond
Jeez... It's like being back in Edinburgh, eh?
you'll have had yer tea? |
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rollingthunder
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 17/05/2012 : 10:25:55
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Originally posted by martydrums
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Originally posted by gaz farrimond
Jeez... It's like being back in Edinburgh, eh?
you'll have had yer tea?
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drummerNick
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United Kingdom
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bulbousheed
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United Kingdom
3286 Posts |
Posted - 17/05/2012 : 11:02:04
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Most cymbals will sound good depending on the situation, certain companies models will sound similar to each other because of their manufacturing process, 2 16" PAISTE 2002 crashes will sound similar, 2 16" Dream bliss crashes might sound different.
In my time I've broken PAISTE'S,SABIAN'S,ZILDJIAN'S and MEINL'S.
I never broke a Dream when I played them and I still have'nt broken any Diril's. |
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jon kelly
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United Kingdom
499 Posts |
Posted - 18/05/2012 : 17:49:35
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Originally posted by Stomper
Having always picked my cymbals from stock by playing them in the shop.
How safe is it to order,say a Dream Bliss vintage from a retailer and get a cymbal that sounds as near as dammit to the You Tube demo sound files. Has anyone any advise.
Meinl are consistent as they are cad/cam made, there will always be variations in types that are either handmade or part handmade, however you do get tonal character with hand hammered cymbals, its just that sometimes you may invariably end up buying a bin lid. Chinese cymbals can be as musical as Zils or Paiste i know i have a load as well as a full set 0f 2002. Dreams are very good, organic washy cymbals and resilient, dirty reminiscent of the old K. Paiste 2002 clean and cutting, precise probably perfect sounding b8, but people think theyre unbreakable cos the rock guys use em, wrong, they break if theyre hit wrong, they dont need to be hit hard theyre loud at a moderate glancing blow and always cut through even without mics, sorry to seem lecturous but thats how i sum it up. |
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