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Prog
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United Kingdom
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 Posted - 12/05/2012 : 15:34:29
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| I've not seen such a beast for ages, except on eBay. I wonder if they were ever really necessary. |
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MarkMooch
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/05/2012 : 16:21:01
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| True, I think you can still get them at the very high end of some hardware ranges. Perhaps it's to counterbalance stupid (extreme) angles like the fashion was in the 80's. . . or perhaps it sounded better? |
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ian-40
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/05/2012 : 16:31:36
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| they were used to reach over 19 toms, to counter the weight of the cymbals, therefore to prevent toppling the stand over |
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Prog
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
21180 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2012 : 16:47:21
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| That's true, Ian, but they were usually to be found supporting 16" crashes on four piece Exports down the Dog 'n' Duck. |
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ian-40
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/05/2012 : 16:48:45
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| a true statement indeed |
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thedrumcrew
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
8466 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2012 : 17:09:23
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If you have seen Mark Richardson hit his cymbals then i do think they are needed  |
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dibs
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United Kingdom
856 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2012 : 17:13:15
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| I could do with one funnily enough! i've lost track of the times I have to wrestle with a stand that I mount my 14" tom off and also my 20" K Custom Ride on the stands boom arm. I always seem to set it up in such a way that it wants to topple over as the weight of the toms and cymbal are both at the same time. I chase them round the stem of the stand and move the feet around but feel like a dog chasing it's tail trying to get the balance right! |
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knockermalin
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United Kingdom
366 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2012 : 17:14:29
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| Quite honestly, if you just make sure the boom arm is inline with one of the 3 stand legs, you should not really need any counter-weights. I remember back in the 70's Premier sold the Lockfast (flush base) boom cymbal stands with little round weighted discs on each foot of the base of the stand. Can't decide if that was innovative or just a waste of time as I never owned one! |
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Bazarre
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/05/2012 : 17:47:20
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Originally posted by knockermalin
Quite honestly, if you just make sure the boom arm is inline with one of the 3 stand legs, you should not really need any counter-weights. I remember back in the 70's Premier sold the Lockfast (flush base) boom cymbal stands with little round weighted discs on each foot of the base of the stand. Can't decide if that was innovative or just a waste of time as I never owned one!
Still got one up in the loft! It is massively heavy and the counterweighted part of the boom could be classed as an offensive weapon. The base with those round feet is pretty big. You could put a 24" cymbal on it at full outreach and it wouldn't fall over. Got it with a kit and have never used it. Too heavy and overdone by a mile. |
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highwooddrums
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203 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2012 : 17:59:00
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course they were necessary anyone whos owned a 32" ride and needed to get it as high as possible and so they could still hit the bell knows that!
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Prog
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United Kingdom
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dibs
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
856 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2012 : 18:07:12
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Originally posted by Prog
You and your extreme examples, G. 
Some folk eh?! You'd think this section was entitled "Let's use topic as a springboard for stupidity and unhelpful self indulgence" the way some people respond.
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Prog
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United Kingdom
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OriginalAnimal
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/05/2012 : 21:17:49
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I used to carry a couple of stage weights around to stabilise the stands, but I never owned a counterweight stand, though they did look good at the time, with large diameter cymbals |
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StrategicAirCommand
Very Active Contributer
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Posted - 12/05/2012 : 23:30:18
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| I've got a Premier Trilock which has an adjustable counter-weighted boom-arm. I've yet to find a cymbal which needs it, as the Trilock is a mighty beast in itself. The whole assembly looks pretty butch, but the counter-weight part stays at home. In its defence, it came from a time when 'big names' were playing extensive kits: 6,8,10,12,13,14,15,16,18 with two bass drums and all the cymbals had to be flown in over that. |
It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing.
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Mcmaul
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 13/05/2012 : 00:27:42
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Originally posted by Prog
You and your extreme examples, G.
Some folk eh?! You'd think this section was entitled "Let's use topic as a springboard for stupidity and unhelpful self indulgence" the way some people respond.
This isn't a thread where a person needs help, Dibs. Don't give up your day job, mate. |
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benjisonfire
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 13/05/2012 : 01:09:22
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Originally posted by MarkMooch
True, I think you can still get them at the very high end of some hardware ranges. Perhaps it's to counterbalance stupid (extreme) angles like the fashion was in the 80's. . . or perhaps it sounded better?
funny you should say that. but I genuinely have a 'ride cymbal stand' I have no idea why but I do think that stand makes cymbals sound at their full potential. it's a yamaha single braced job with a short boom. and it moves a bit with the cymbal. If the option is available I will always make sure it's on the ride.
also I'm pretty sure a few of the guys on cymbalholic swear that vintage stands sound better... but they're all nutters  |
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dibs
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 13/05/2012 : 01:58:50
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Originally posted by dibs
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Originally posted by Prog
You and your extreme examples, G.
Some folk eh?! You'd think this section was entitled "Let's use topic as a springboard for stupidity and unhelpful self indulgence" the way some people respond.
This isn't a thread where a person needs help, Dibs. Don't give up your day job, mate.
You really are just a tool. |
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Mcmaul
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 13/05/2012 : 07:57:08
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Originally posted by Prog
You and your extreme examples, G.
Some folk eh?! You'd think this section was entitled "Let's use topic as a springboard for stupidity and unhelpful self indulgence" the way some people respond.
This isn't a thread where a person needs help, Dibs. Don't give up your day job, mate.
You really are just a tool.
Yeah, the feelings mutual, are you sure you haven't misspelt you name? Div. |
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thebeaver
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 13/05/2012 : 08:26:59
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Originally posted by knockermalin
Quite honestly, if you just make sure the boom arm is inline with one of the 3 stand legs, you should not really need any counter-weights.
Agreed. it always amazes me when I see guys setting up and they haven't figured this out yet! |
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Captain Bubble
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 13/05/2012 : 08:51:46
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Originally posted by knockermalin
Quite honestly, if you just make sure the boom arm is inline with one of the 3 stand legs, you should not really need any counter-weights.
Agreed. it always amazes me when I see guys setting up and they haven't figured this out yet!
My first stands were small flush base affairs with very little stabilty, so I HAD to learn how to set them up! After a couple of years I moved up to Premier Lokfast hardware (not the later ones with longer legs and round weights), much of which I still have, and even these required a drummer to LEARN how to set up stands!
Kids today have it too easy, and don't learn how to set up stands!
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Yard
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Uzbekistan
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Posted - 13/05/2012 : 09:44:38
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I had a set of Rogers that had huge weights and some Premier Lokfast.
Pearl seemed to love weights too but it may have been to advertise their stands? |
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gaz farrimond
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 13/05/2012 : 10:03:23
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I had a couple of Sonor stands that came with counterweights. I could have used the counterweights to chock a truck. I actually used them a couple of times but decided it was overkill.
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Mcmaul
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United Kingdom
5945 Posts |
Posted - 13/05/2012 : 11:14:47
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| I took a set of Pearl 9000 series ones to the SITMS record. Andy perfect extended 'em for a laugh whilst i nipped to the bog, god knows where that pic is now, but they are huge, the biggest I've ever seen. |
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OriginalAnimal
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 13/05/2012 : 15:44:20
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Originally posted by thebeaver
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Originally posted by knockermalin
Quite honestly, if you just make sure the boom arm is inline with one of the 3 stand legs, you should not really need any counter-weights.
Agreed. it always amazes me when I see guys setting up and they haven't figured this out yet!
My first stands were small flush base affairs with very little stabilty, so I HAD to learn how to set them up! After a couple of years I moved up to Premier Lokfast hardware (not the later ones with longer legs and round weights), much of which I still have, and even these required a drummer to LEARN how to set up stands!
Kids today have it too easy, and don't learn how to set up stands!
[Goes off on one in Grumpy Old Git mode for ten pages!]
I currently use a Lokfast snare stand base to support a 12" tom, 14" crash & 18" ride, setting the legs is second nature |
I have no time to practice, I'm gigging. Leicester Drum Sniffers Anonymous. #17 of the 582 & 17 0f the 798 World Record Holders.
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OriginalAnimal
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United Kingdom
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martydrums
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 16/05/2012 : 14:38:58
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I had a couple of Sonor stands that came with counterweights. I could have used the counterweights to chock a truck. I actually used them a couple of times but decided it was overkill.
I had a couple of them too, seemed like a good idea at the time, ooh me back Tell you what though, great as an aid to self defense on a particularly rough gig! |
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brushbaby
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 16/05/2012 : 15:38:51
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I thought the weights were so your cymbal could bob up and down like those flamingo's that used to drink out of cocktail glasses
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