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Yard
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 Posted - 14/05/2012 : 10:06:07
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Anyone use them and if so...your views?
Diril supplied Paiste and Meinl until they decided to go it alone.
To me a cymbal is a cymbal no matter which brand and it is pot luck that you find a tasty one? |
Shut it and whack the poxy things!
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drumting
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 14/05/2012 : 14:22:13
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Originally posted by Yard
Anyone use them and if so...your views?
Diril supplied Paiste and Meinl until they decided to go it alone.
To me a cymbal is a cymbal no matter which brand and it is pot luck that you find a tasty one?
Are you referring to Diril, or Murat Diril? Two different companies, run by brothers.
Both previously 'assisted' Paiste & Meinl. |
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Dave S
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Yard
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Uzbekistan
5264 Posts |
Posted - 14/05/2012 : 15:04:31
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| Diril...I am talking of,although its all the same? |
Shut it and whack the poxy things!
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Yard
Advanced Contributer
Uzbekistan
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Posted - 14/05/2012 : 15:12:25
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Originally posted by drumting
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Originally posted by Yard
Anyone use them and if so...your views?
Diril supplied Paiste and Meinl until they decided to go it alone.
To me a cymbal is a cymbal no matter which brand and it is pot luck that you find a tasty one?
Are you referring to Diril, or Murat Diril? Two different companies, run by brothers.
Both previously 'assisted' Paiste & Meinl.
Assisted in Turkish = made!! |
Shut it and whack the poxy things!
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drumting
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14/05/2012 : 15:23:52
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quote:
Originally posted by Yard
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Originally posted by drumting
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Originally posted by Yard
Anyone use them and if so...your views?
Diril supplied Paiste and Meinl until they decided to go it alone.
To me a cymbal is a cymbal no matter which brand and it is pot luck that you find a tasty one?
Are you referring to Diril, or Murat Diril? Two different companies, run by brothers.
Both previously 'assisted' Paiste & Meinl.
Assisted in Turkish = made!!
Ha! You've read all the conjecture about the Dirils & Paiste/Meinl then? It would make a great film.
The two companies are completely separate though, with different ranges.
I've got some Murat Diril Black Sea & Speckled stuff on one of the teaching kits. They're nice cymbals, although I don't think the finish on them would be to everyone's liking...... |
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www.ecymbals.co.uk
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
6215 Posts |
Posted - 14/05/2012 : 18:05:26
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| They know how to get them out of Turkey but it's not so good when stuff has to go back.. |
www.ecymbals.co.uk
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bulbousheed
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United Kingdom
3286 Posts |
Posted - 14/05/2012 : 18:25:43
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| Yep, I'm using them and I think they are lovely! |
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drumting
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
1219 Posts |
Posted - 14/05/2012 : 18:56:30
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Originally posted by www.ecymbals.co.uk
They know how to get them out of Turkey but it's not so good when stuff has to go back..
Oddly, my experience with Murat & their UK distributor has been quite the opposite. |
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www.ecymbals.co.uk
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
6215 Posts |
Posted - 14/05/2012 : 19:01:15
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quote:
Originally posted by drumting
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Originally posted by www.ecymbals.co.uk
They know how to get them out of Turkey but it's not so good when stuff has to go back..
Oddly, my experience with Murat & their UK distributor has been quite the opposite.
That's not odd at all but it was a lot different before UK distribution... |
www.ecymbals.co.uk
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New Boy
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United Kingdom
5166 Posts |
Posted - 14/05/2012 : 20:12:58
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| I've some of the Dirils I bought off Simon Ferguson, Two crashesthey're they age and a ride nice Cymbals they are too. |
Free the Tempus one - The missing thread lives on!
(Carrera, Highwood, Amedia,Paiste).
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highwooddrums
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Posted - 14/05/2012 : 20:40:06
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| used to play full set of Diril cymbals, great sounding things, mine got stolen :( |
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bulbousheed
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
3286 Posts |
Posted - 15/05/2012 : 09:23:04
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quote:
Originally posted by drumting
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Originally posted by Yard
Anyone use them and if so...your views?
Diril supplied Paiste and Meinl until they decided to go it alone.
To me a cymbal is a cymbal no matter which brand and it is pot luck that you find a tasty one?
Are you referring to Diril, or Murat Diril? Two different companies, run by brothers.
Both previously 'assisted' Paiste & Meinl.
It's fairly simple really.
I have Ibrahim Diril's.
My cymbals sound good and I've not broken any after over a year of gigging hard with them. |
http://www.thewynntownmarshals.com/
Premier Mk2 Black Shadow Resonator
Diril Cymbals
Duallist pedal
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jon kelly
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 16/05/2012 : 21:21:46
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can you elaborate?quote:
Originally posted by www.ecymbals.co.uk
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Originally posted by drumting
quote:
Originally posted by www.ecymbals.co.uk
They know how to get them out of Turkey but it's not so good when stuff has to go back..
Oddly, my experience with Murat & their UK distributor has been quite the opposite.
That's not odd at all but it was a lot different before UK distribution...
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www.ecymbals.co.uk
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United Kingdom
6215 Posts |
Posted - 17/05/2012 : 11:02:14
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Originally posted by jon kelly
can you elaborate?quote:
Originally posted by www.ecymbals.co.uk
quote:
Originally posted by drumting
quote:
Originally posted by www.ecymbals.co.uk
They know how to get them out of Turkey but it's not so good when stuff has to go back..
Oddly, my experience with Murat & their UK distributor has been quite the opposite.
That's not odd at all but it was a lot different before UK distribution...
Sorry to long a story to type. (Turkish Customs Officers  ).
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gaz farrimond
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
11111 Posts |
Posted - 17/05/2012 : 12:10:32
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Originally posted by www.ecymbals.co.uk
quote:
Originally posted by jon kelly
can you elaborate?quote:
Originally posted by www.ecymbals.co.uk
quote:
Originally posted by drumting
quote:
Originally posted by www.ecymbals.co.uk
They know how to get them out of Turkey but it's not so good when stuff has to go back..
Oddly, my experience with Murat & their UK distributor has been quite the opposite.
That's not odd at all but it was a lot different before UK distribution...
Sorry to long a story to type. (Turkish Customs Officers ).
Julian, if there is anything majorly wrong with this, please let me know and I'll edit this reply.
A letter from Eric Paiste posted on a number of websites in June 2009:
Hello,
I’ve received some information about rumors travelling around the world on internet blogs and forums, regarding our Twenty Series. I thought it might be a good idea to make our side of the story public. Because I do not believe in marketing BS, I will keep it brief and to the point:
Paiste received raw materials, specifically unfinished goods, from Murat and Ibrahim Diril in Turkey. We then hammered and lathed this material to make Paiste cymbals, the Twenty series. It is not true that Twenty cymbals were made entirely by Diril, or that we just applied logos to “finished cymbals” received from them.
Unfortunately, what we are dealing with is a disgruntled supplier, who has lost both Paiste and another cymbal company as customers. Be that as may be, I still wish them well for the future.
We discontinued our relationship with the Diril brothers because of quality problems. A significant portion of the raw materials received did not conform to our standards, resulting in cymbals we had to destroy after our final quality control inspection. We had no choice but to wind up the relationship.
We will continue to offer the Twenty series, we will not discontinue it, and we will ensure that our customary quality and consistency applies. That’s the bottom line.
Any questions or comments are welcome to my attention at produktionsleiter@paiste.com.
My deep appreciation to all our fans and supporters for allowing us to continue to make great cymbals.
Erik Paiste
Reply from Murat Diril:
l saw your statement in ''Westernet 1'' with great astonishment and my workers who have made those cymbals felt betrayed.This feeling turned into disgust later on and l wanted everybody to know the real story.
ln your ''story'' you claimed that you only received ''raw materials, specifically unfinished goods from ''Murat Diril and hammering and lathing were carried out in your company in Switzerland.'' You also claimed that ''you discontinued your relationship with Murat because you had some quality problem.''
As you will very well remember ( if not, l can send a copy of your e-mail), it was me who decided not to continue our business relation when you complained about your increasing stocks as a result of the economic crises and stoped giving orders. You asked if we could wait for a while. We could not continue and decided to finish it.( e-mail is available for those interested).
Please tell me why you provided financing to buy a melting oven and why you send a press machine and a cutting machine to my factory from Switzerland two years ago. The most important of all why you wanted to buy some of our company shares so we could be partners. Since you do everything is in Switzerland you could have kept all these machines to yourself. You didnt want to do it, because it was very expensive to produce handmade cymbals in Switzerland and Samsun with cheap labour was the best place to make them. As you have said in practically all your brochures the best craftsmen Murat Diril was also there. We are still holding the moulds of different bells for Twenty Series.
I like to everybody to know that the photographs of Twenty series you see and the sounds you hear in my website were manufactured by my workers in my factory in Samsun/Turkey. The cymbals with those states were sent to Mr.Paiste. ''Made in Turkey'' trade mark should have been put on each cymbal for a long time..Only some sound development processes were carried out in Switzerland.
ln our files, we still have so many e-mails in which Mr. Paiste has repeatedly praises and confirms our work and quality.We will be more than happy to provide copies of such e-mails and a copy of partnership agreement to anybody who wishes to have them. l think Mr.Paiste should have been enough to tell the cymbals world that he had faced an uphill struggle for selling his Twenty series and had increasing stocks.lnstead he decided to put the blame on Murat Diril's shoulders and unfairly accuse him of producing low quality cymbals.
l will continue making top quality cymbals for good drummers who can not efford to buy expensive cymbals produced by so called ''big'' companies.You will see my quality cymbals wherever you go l will flood the cymbals market with the best quality products at a reasonable low prices.
Finally, l want everybody to know that the God is my witness that that everything l say here is true and my special thansk goes to you for waking me up before l become a slave of your company.l will enjoy freedom.
My personel regards
MURAT DIRIL
This apparently became quite the slanging match, but eventually most people took the view that Paiste (And Meinl) were right in ceasing trading with Diril. Things such as Diril blaming Paiste when a Twenty was destroyed, but the Diril factory had carried out the hammering etc. This is not long (A few months) after the Diril brothers split.
A shame really, because Diril have made some very nice cymbals.
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bulbousheed
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 17/05/2012 : 13:17:27
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When it comes down to it thats business and it does'nt cross my mind when I'm hitting the things, two sides to every story and all that.
Somebody was telling me about Ibrahim and Murat Diril recently and about claims made by them both about the Paiste/Meinl connections and I stopped listening.I think it can also be a case of chinese whispers sometimes.
If somebody decided that they would only use equipment made by companies that had never fallen out with suppliers or who had never done the dirty on anyone,they would'nt have much equipment to choose from I fear. |
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Premier Mk2 Black Shadow Resonator
Diril Cymbals
Duallist pedal
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www.ecymbals.co.uk
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
6215 Posts |
Posted - 17/05/2012 : 14:45:51
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quote:
Originally posted by gaz farrimond
quote:
Originally posted by www.ecymbals.co.uk
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Originally posted by jon kelly
can you elaborate?quote:
Originally posted by www.ecymbals.co.uk
quote:
Originally posted by drumting
quote:
Originally posted by www.ecymbals.co.uk
They know how to get them out of Turkey but it's not so good when stuff has to go back..
Oddly, my experience with Murat & their UK distributor has been quite the opposite.
That's not odd at all but it was a lot different before UK distribution...
Sorry to long a story to type. (Turkish Customs Officers ).
Julian, if there is anything majorly wrong with this, please let me know and I'll edit this reply.
A letter from Eric Paiste posted on a number of websites in June 2009:
Hello,
I’ve received some information about rumors travelling around the world on internet blogs and forums, regarding our Twenty Series. I thought it might be a good idea to make our side of the story public. Because I do not believe in marketing BS, I will keep it brief and to the point:
Paiste received raw materials, specifically unfinished goods, from Murat and Ibrahim Diril in Turkey. We then hammered and lathed this material to make Paiste cymbals, the Twenty series. It is not true that Twenty cymbals were made entirely by Diril, or that we just applied logos to “finished cymbals” received from them.
Unfortunately, what we are dealing with is a disgruntled supplier, who has lost both Paiste and another cymbal company as customers. Be that as may be, I still wish them well for the future.
We discontinued our relationship with the Diril brothers because of quality problems. A significant portion of the raw materials received did not conform to our standards, resulting in cymbals we had to destroy after our final quality control inspection. We had no choice but to wind up the relationship.
We will continue to offer the Twenty series, we will not discontinue it, and we will ensure that our customary quality and consistency applies. That’s the bottom line.
Any questions or comments are welcome to my attention at produktionsleiter@paiste.com.
My deep appreciation to all our fans and supporters for allowing us to continue to make great cymbals.
Erik Paiste
Reply from Murat Diril:
l saw your statement in ''Westernet 1'' with great astonishment and my workers who have made those cymbals felt betrayed.This feeling turned into disgust later on and l wanted everybody to know the real story.
ln your ''story'' you claimed that you only received ''raw materials, specifically unfinished goods from ''Murat Diril and hammering and lathing were carried out in your company in Switzerland.'' You also claimed that ''you discontinued your relationship with Murat because you had some quality problem.''
As you will very well remember ( if not, l can send a copy of your e-mail), it was me who decided not to continue our business relation when you complained about your increasing stocks as a result of the economic crises and stoped giving orders. You asked if we could wait for a while. We could not continue and decided to finish it.( e-mail is available for those interested).
Please tell me why you provided financing to buy a melting oven and why you send a press machine and a cutting machine to my factory from Switzerland two years ago. The most important of all why you wanted to buy some of our company shares so we could be partners. Since you do everything is in Switzerland you could have kept all these machines to yourself. You didnt want to do it, because it was very expensive to produce handmade cymbals in Switzerland and Samsun with cheap labour was the best place to make them. As you have said in practically all your brochures the best craftsmen Murat Diril was also there. We are still holding the moulds of different bells for Twenty Series.
I like to everybody to know that the photographs of Twenty series you see and the sounds you hear in my website were manufactured by my workers in my factory in Samsun/Turkey. The cymbals with those states were sent to Mr.Paiste. ''Made in Turkey'' trade mark should have been put on each cymbal for a long time..Only some sound development processes were carried out in Switzerland.
ln our files, we still have so many e-mails in which Mr. Paiste has repeatedly praises and confirms our work and quality.We will be more than happy to provide copies of such e-mails and a copy of partnership agreement to anybody who wishes to have them. l think Mr.Paiste should have been enough to tell the cymbals world that he had faced an uphill struggle for selling his Twenty series and had increasing stocks.lnstead he decided to put the blame on Murat Diril's shoulders and unfairly accuse him of producing low quality cymbals.
l will continue making top quality cymbals for good drummers who can not efford to buy expensive cymbals produced by so called ''big'' companies.You will see my quality cymbals wherever you go l will flood the cymbals market with the best quality products at a reasonable low prices.
Finally, l want everybody to know that the God is my witness that that everything l say here is true and my special thansk goes to you for waking me up before l become a slave of your company.l will enjoy freedom.
My personel regards
MURAT DIRIL
This apparently became quite the slanging match, but eventually most people took the view that Paiste (And Meinl) were right in ceasing trading with Diril. Things such as Diril blaming Paiste when a Twenty was destroyed, but the Diril factory had carried out the hammering etc. This is not long (A few months) after the Diril brothers split.
A shame really, because Diril have made some very nice cymbals.
Gaz, I'm dreaming of a white christmas... |
www.ecymbals.co.uk
Paiste Cymbal Specialist ~ Sonor Drum Specialist ~ Drum Theory Specialist ~ Drum Kits For Hire ~ Vic Firth Sticks ~ T Shirts & Merchandise |
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Shaggi
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United Kingdom
1091 Posts |
Posted - 17/05/2012 : 14:56:16
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| You can take the cymbals out of Turkey, but you can't take the Turkey out of the cymbals ...?! |
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www.ecymbals.co.uk
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United Kingdom
6215 Posts |
Posted - 17/05/2012 : 15:47:10
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Originally posted by Shaggi
You can take the cymbals out of Turkey, but you can't take the Turkey out of the cymbals ...?!
It's all about the Turkey at Christmas. |
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Yard
Advanced Contributer
Uzbekistan
5264 Posts |
Posted - 18/05/2012 : 10:15:34
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| Any danger the print can be in black? |
Shut it and whack the poxy things!
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Twotoms
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 19/05/2012 : 18:07:31
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I had to highlight it with my cursor in order to read it!
Black, please, chaps!
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gaz farrimond
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Posted - 19/05/2012 : 18:23:43
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Doesn't show up white for me...
HMMM........
Just highlighted the whole post and selected black.
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