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Gavster
Active Contributer
United Kingdom
69 Posts |
 Posted - 22/05/2012 : 17:08:00
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Always remember - We are only passing through!
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grdrums
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
620 Posts |
Posted - 22/05/2012 : 17:16:53
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| playing drums with out either is tricky |
www.grahamrusselldrums.com. The number 1 supplier of used drum gear! |
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nigelsmithson
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
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Naylorfan
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
729 Posts |
Posted - 22/05/2012 : 18:35:32
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Racks:
For: They define your space. They offer consistency in set-up. They are easy to adapt to a new item.
Against: Fugly. Heavy to lug about. A little awkward to set-up and dismantle.
I've had mine since about 1986. The clamps have never gone wrong and the tubing still looks okay. |
Richard Westwood
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Unkle Kev
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
1423 Posts |
Posted - 22/05/2012 : 19:27:44
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Tex
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
1582 Posts |
Posted - 22/05/2012 : 19:45:33
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I use a small rack on my 18" bd kit.
http://www.tsterling.demon.co.uk/page6.html
It was a small rack on my old Koby electric drums.
Was 24" across and uprights (plus bottom rail 18" feet) two short 12" tubes with one Pearl cymbal arm on each and each with the extra Pearl cymbal mounts so two cymbals on each arm. Now using a 30" upright so I can use it on my other kits.
I just fold the rail feet flush with the uprights and fold and swing the cymbal arms down so it's all pretty much packed flat.
Packs ok spreads the hardware weight (only hihat, snare tom legs & holder and stool in the hardware bag). I keep the feet all the way towards me as all the upper parts overhang towards me too. So almost no feet protruding.
Small stage area and nothing to trip over. Used it for about 5 years on the kit with no issues at all.
Get a cheap E-Rack from Thomanns and cut it down as it's the same sizes as the Gibbos. |
Sitting on top of the mountain isn't the most interesting bit of the climb. Sitting at the bottom aint much fun either. |
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lee haydn
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
2029 Posts |
Posted - 22/05/2012 : 19:47:50
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| Old topic, but iv'e had both and i'm back with stands,, |
Ludwig Maple Classic (Green Sparkle) + L400
Sabian HH and Paiste Stanbul vintage
Pro' Racket |
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Sharklaar
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
1839 Posts |
Posted - 22/05/2012 : 19:51:04
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Originally posted by Tex
I use a small rack on my 18" bd kit.
http://www.tsterling.demon.co.uk/page6.html
It was a small rack on my old Koby electric drums.
Was 24" across and uprights (plus bottom rail 18" feet) two short 12" tubes with one Pearl cymbal arm on each and each with the extra Pearl cymbal mounts so two cymbals on each arm. Now using a 30" upright so I can use it on my other kits.
I just fold the rail feet flush with the uprights and fold and swing the cymbal arms down so it's all pretty much packed flat.
Packs ok spreads the hardware weight (only hihat, snare tom legs & holder and stool in the hardware bag). I keep the feet all the way towards me as all the upper parts overhang towards me too. So almost no feet protruding.
Small stage area and nothing to trip over. Used it for about 5 years on the kit with no issues at all.
Get a cheap E-Rack from Thomanns and cut it down as it's the same sizes as the Gibbos.
That looks pretty cool Tex, like it. |
http://www.blackhawkdown.org.uk |
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luke3030
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
12848 Posts |
Posted - 22/05/2012 : 20:03:42
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| V old topic , just go with what you prefer. |
WANTED: ANY GRETSCH RENOWN DRUMS/KITS IN SILVER OYSTER PEARL. |
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Drumheduk
Excellent Contributer
United Kingdom
292 Posts |
Posted - 22/05/2012 : 21:39:43
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| Only just got my racks finished and they are so much faster and better than the stands were. I cut mine down to the absolute minimum to give it a stealth rack feel but with DW fittings. |
Yamaha MCAN,DW Hardware, Sabian, Pro rac
www.deloreanband.co.uk
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WendyB
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
5644 Posts |
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CDen
New Contributer
United Kingdom
27 Posts |
Posted - 23/05/2012 : 00:06:00
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I will get all scientific on this...
Up to a certan number of toms (4 or 5) and cymbals (depends on number & size) you don't NEED a rack.
But after that a rack becomes more efficient.
As in... for more and more gear on a rack you can ditch the tripod stand bases and have rack arms etc.
so, if you really had the time and nerd capacity (I have no time but plenty capacity) you can figure out of your separate stands for a given setup weigh more and take up more floor space than a 2 or 3 leg rack.
At a guess based on my experience a rack comes into it's own when you have more than, say, 4 toms and I guess 5 or 6 cymbals (roughly).
And that does not take into account the positioning of kit (racks do offer good setup/positioning options) and the 'cool' factor! |
And a-1, a-2, a-1,2 3.... Eh? Wot repeat section? |
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CDen
New Contributer
United Kingdom
27 Posts |
Posted - 23/05/2012 : 00:12:09
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A rack needs a bigger case than regular tom/cymbals stands in general, so check in advance that your car / bass player / girlfriend is able to cater for your large rack! |
And a-1, a-2, a-1,2 3.... Eh? Wot repeat section? |
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Tex
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
1582 Posts |
Posted - 23/05/2012 : 03:43:24
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Originally posted by CDen
Additional...
A rack needs a bigger case than regular tom/cymbals stands in general, so check in advance that your car / bass player / girlfriend is able to cater for your large rack!
Mine ends up as a 2fy by 2ft6" by about 6". Easily carried and pretty easy to find carspace for (the size of a cynbal flightcase I suppose. Been uncased for 5 (nay ten when I used to use my electric kit) years and still looks good. Takes a minute or two to fold out the cymbal holders and clip a tom holder to.
I actually think though that the usual racks are too much on the big side and the rack/stands weight/handiness is about even.
The only downside with racks for me is that it takes about three days to design the b#gger so everything clips on as you want every time.
If you have a big rack I'd advise not taking the cymbal arms off by themselves but removing them with the clamps attached. More flat rack pipes and much quicker setup. |
Sitting on top of the mountain isn't the most interesting bit of the climb. Sitting at the bottom aint much fun either. |
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acarson
New Contributer
5 Posts |
Posted - 23/05/2012 : 06:56:50
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I like racks as you can practically define your whole setup with it. There isn't much need for any other option as well if you have this one to go with you. And the best part is that they are easily usable for any other new item you have.
But they do not look that good and are really heavy and such a pain when you are to set them up and dismantle. But if you are looking to do minimal movement, this would be just fine. |
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Sharklaar
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
1839 Posts |
Posted - 23/05/2012 : 08:22:09
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quote:
Originally posted by Tex
quote:
Originally posted by CDen
Additional...
A rack needs a bigger case than regular tom/cymbals stands in general, so check in advance that your car / bass player / girlfriend is able to cater for your large rack!
Mine ends up as a 2fy by 2ft6" by about 6". Easily carried and pretty easy to find carspace for (the size of a cynbal flightcase I suppose. Been uncased for 5 (nay ten when I used to use my electric kit) years and still looks good. Takes a minute or two to fold out the cymbal holders and clip a tom holder to.
I actually think though that the usual racks are too much on the big side and the rack/stands weight/handiness is about even.
The only downside with racks for me is that it takes about three days to design the b#gger so everything clips on as you want every time.
If you have a big rack I'd advise not taking the cymbal arms off by themselves but removing them with the clamps attached. More flat rack pipes and much quicker setup.
I never even considered the idea of leaving the cymbal arms in the clamps and taking the whole lot off the rack pipes.
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http://www.blackhawkdown.org.uk |
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JKDrummerDude
Excellent Contributer
United Kingdom
269 Posts |
Posted - 23/05/2012 : 08:47:15
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Originally posted by Sharklaar
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Originally posted by Tex
quote:
Originally posted by CDen
Additional...
A rack needs a bigger case than regular tom/cymbals stands in general, so check in advance that your car / bass player / girlfriend is able to cater for your large rack!
Mine ends up as a 2fy by 2ft6" by about 6". Easily carried and pretty easy to find carspace for (the size of a cynbal flightcase I suppose. Been uncased for 5 (nay ten when I used to use my electric kit) years and still looks good. Takes a minute or two to fold out the cymbal holders and clip a tom holder to.
I actually think though that the usual racks are too much on the big side and the rack/stands weight/handiness is about even.
The only downside with racks for me is that it takes about three days to design the b#gger so everything clips on as you want every time.
If you have a big rack I'd advise not taking the cymbal arms off by themselves but removing them with the clamps attached. More flat rack pipes and much quicker setup.
I never even considered the idea of leaving the cymbal arms in the clamps and taking the whole lot off the rack pipes.
:schoolboy:
If you do that, doesn't it remove the point that you have a consistant setup each time?
I like racks, would quite like a rack, but I don't think I can fit one in my hardware box. I keep looking at the Yamaha hex rack, but I just haven't managed to justify it to myself yet. |
Yamaha Tour Custom 24, 12, 13, 16, 18, C&C Maple 22, 12,14,16 Yamaha DTXPress IV Special |
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dwpaddy
Advanced Contributer
Ireland
22525 Posts |
Posted - 23/05/2012 : 08:48:28
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Originally posted by Unkle Kev
Rack, guffaw, etc.
not just me so... |
DWP
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Sharklaar
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
1839 Posts |
Posted - 23/05/2012 : 09:09:23
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quote:
Originally posted by JKDrummerDude
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Originally posted by Sharklaar
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Originally posted by Tex
quote:
Originally posted by CDen
Additional...
A rack needs a bigger case than regular tom/cymbals stands in general, so check in advance that your car / bass player / girlfriend is able to cater for your large rack!
Mine ends up as a 2fy by 2ft6" by about 6". Easily carried and pretty easy to find carspace for (the size of a cynbal flightcase I suppose. Been uncased for 5 (nay ten when I used to use my electric kit) years and still looks good. Takes a minute or two to fold out the cymbal holders and clip a tom holder to.
I actually think though that the usual racks are too much on the big side and the rack/stands weight/handiness is about even.
The only downside with racks for me is that it takes about three days to design the b#gger so everything clips on as you want every time.
If you have a big rack I'd advise not taking the cymbal arms off by themselves but removing them with the clamps attached. More flat rack pipes and much quicker setup.
I never even considered the idea of leaving the cymbal arms in the clamps and taking the whole lot off the rack pipes.
:schoolboy:
If you do that, doesn't it remove the point that you have a consistant setup each time?
Not if you've got a memory lock for each clamp, then surely it's more consistent to do it this way? |
http://www.blackhawkdown.org.uk |
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JKDrummerDude
Excellent Contributer
United Kingdom
269 Posts |
Posted - 23/05/2012 : 09:14:19
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| Not the way I visualise this in my mind. No worries, it's an interesting way to pack it all up though. |
Yamaha Tour Custom 24, 12, 13, 16, 18, C&C Maple 22, 12,14,16 Yamaha DTXPress IV Special |
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Tex
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
1582 Posts |
Posted - 23/05/2012 : 15:53:09
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| If you do go for a rack & dismantle I can recommend the Thomann / Bmingham drum centre rack bags at about 21 snots. Get one for the singists mic stands while you're at it and save postage. 110cms x 30cms odd. 3 compartments. |
Sitting on top of the mountain isn't the most interesting bit of the climb. Sitting at the bottom aint much fun either. |
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Shammy
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United Kingdom
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