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thedrumcrew
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ian-40
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 Posted - 31/05/2012 : 20:35:49
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| greedy swines. they cop over 100k a year and still think the 53k annual reirement sum is'nt enough? i hate strikes |
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beezerk
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thedrumcrew
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Posted - 31/05/2012 : 20:54:07
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Someone needs to tell them its going to get alot worse and the good days so they where called are not coming back.
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Yard
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Posted - 31/05/2012 : 21:01:42
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A local GP has it easy compared to A&E.
My doctor never gives me more than 5 minutes before I am out the door.
They should try being nurses to see just how much work goes on.
50K plus is a big pension for anyone.Sell your house and downgrade like everyone else.
Surgeons are a lot more skilled...they can have £50K gladly. |
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thedrumcrew
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Posted - 31/05/2012 : 21:06:25
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Originally posted by Yard
A local GP has it easy compared to A&E.
My doctor never gives me more than 5 minutes before I am out the door.
They should try being nurses to see just how much work goes on.
50K plus is a big pension for anyone.Sell your house and downgrade like everyone else.
Surgeons are a lot more skilled...they can have £50K gladly.
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thedrumcrew
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Posted - 31/05/2012 : 21:09:54
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I forgot i bet i get told off for being doom and gloom
sorry I just seen a video on facebook that made me think how lucky we have it. |
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metallicpearl
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Posted - 31/05/2012 : 21:11:50
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Originally posted by Yard
A local GP has it easy compared to A&E.
My doctor never gives me more than 5 minutes before I am out the door.
They should try being nurses to see just how much work goes on.
50K plus is a big pension for anyone.Sell your house and downgrade like everyone else.
Surgeons are a lot more skilled...they can have £50K gladly.
Most GPs seem overpaid, IMO. Half of the GPs at my local surgery have a very dismissive attitude. I once went to my GP with horrendous back pain. He didn't even look at my back, printed me something from the NHS website about bad backs and sent me hobbling on my merry way. |
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Sharklaar
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Posted - 31/05/2012 : 21:42:20
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GPs are overpaid in my opinion. My GP as has been said above only gives me a few minutes before I'm out the door. I've got a condition she should be aware of, yet the first appointment after I ffound out I had it, she clearly hadn't done any research and knew less than I did after I'd read up on the tinterweb about it. If I got paid in excess of £100,000 a year, I'd be doing some preparation before every bit of work I did to make sure I got it right. "Leave it a week or two and come back if it's not better" seems to be the standard GP response to everything these days and it's not really good enough. I'd accept that if they were on £20k a year.
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thedrumcrew
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Posted - 31/05/2012 : 21:48:18
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| I may be wrong but it think they only have 5 mins then your out. Would not like to think what they will get in the future 2 mins???? |
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StormBlast
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Posted - 31/05/2012 : 21:52:14
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To me GPs are just vessels for perscriptions when i need one. I'm not usually doom and gloomy but this really annoys me. So many people my age (A level) are aiming for medicine, whilst having this strange "eew biology is so gross!" "Uni is going to be so hard and boring for me!" "I cant even look at blood without feeling faint!" attitude. Would I be hearing this shyte all the bloody time if it wasn't for the daft wages? I doubt it.
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Dezzie
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Posted - 31/05/2012 : 21:55:40
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Heh-heh! i can picture them (Doc's) marching through central london, chanting with fists punching the air..
WHADDAWEWANT ?... TWENNY-PERCEN'
WHENDAWEWANNIT ?.. N..O..W
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thedrumcrew
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Posted - 31/05/2012 : 22:02:58
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Heh-heh! i can picture them (Doc's) marching through central london, chanting with fists punching the air..
WHADDAWEWANT ?... TWENNY-PERCEN'
WHENDAWEWANNIT ?.. N..O..W
<<Chuckle>>.
What do we want............
Fecking hate anyone saying it as i still think there all lucky to have a job.
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WendyB
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Posted - 31/05/2012 : 23:28:17
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| They are also lucky to get a 53% final salary pension which equates to much more than many people survive on while working. On one hand, doctors go through years of training and have their patients lives in their hands, quite a responsibility for which they should be rewarded, yet on the other, it's a tremendous amount of money for the publicly funded NHS to find on retirement. If I was a senior manager in industry earning that sort of money, I'd want to know my retirement was secure. Im not, I don't, and it probably isn't, but I chose not to be a high flyer and have to live with that choice. |
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scoobydude
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Posted - 01/06/2012 : 00:48:49
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| Let's drop the doctors wages to the average level, and see what kind of people you get wanting to be doctors. It's not an average job, and frankly I want the best minds doing it, not your average Joe. It has to offer a premium to get the best people studying medicine, or they'll all go off and do something more profitable. When I need a doctor I want to know that they're the some of the most able people in society, and I'm quite happy to pay a premium for it. It's funny how there's no uproar about MP's wages or the VERY generous pension terms they enjoy.... |
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Wannabedrummer
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Posted - 01/06/2012 : 08:36:28
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| I agree scoodydude, doctors are a vital part of our society and they should be heavily recompensed for their difficult, demanding and hihgly responsible job. If they're not rewarded forthose attributes, they wont do it! Why should they? I wish I hada pension like that, but I dont. It was my choice not to be a doctor, (that, and my brain isn't up to the task), so thats the way the cookie crumbles. Good luck to em. |
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Bazarre
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Posted - 01/06/2012 : 08:54:53
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Originally posted by metallicpearl
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Originally posted by Yard
A local GP has it easy compared to A&E.
My doctor never gives me more than 5 minutes before I am out the door.
They should try being nurses to see just how much work goes on.
50K plus is a big pension for anyone.Sell your house and downgrade like everyone else.
Surgeons are a lot more skilled...they can have £50K gladly.
Most GPs seem overpaid, IMO. Half of the GPs at my local surgery have a very dismissive attitude. I once went to my GP with horrendous back pain. He didn't even look at my back, printed me something from the NHS website about bad backs and sent me hobbling on my merry way.
Only half; then you're lucky. They're all like that at my local practice and one young doctor in particular is an arrogant b'stard. I don't go to the doctors very often, but when I do, I expect some proper attention. The first thing they do is try to talk me out of having medicines or treatment. I've had that too where they print off something from the internet and tell me to go away and read it. I don't need that -- I know I've got arthritis in the hip joints (hands and neck as well).
Assuming that when they retire on their pension, they will likely have no mortgage to pay (the biggest expense any of us have) they will be able to live very comfortably on what they would get now even adding quite a factor for inflation. A £50K-£60K pension is enough for anybody. Me and Sue have to live on less than a quarter of that -- that's why I can't fully retire! |
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crafty
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Posted - 01/06/2012 : 09:43:03
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My GP is very funny, in a hopeless kind of way. I see her once every few years for minor complaints - tennis elbow, blocked ear etc. Her usual reaction is, 'Yeah, I get that - I wonder what it is..?' I call her 'Doc Morrisey', in honour of Reggis Perrin's doctor.
For skeletal compliants, I've found it more sensible to seek out help from Osteopaths. My Osteopath sorted out my cubital tunnel syndrome in one session, after my GP said the only course of action was surgery. Doc Morrisey indeed. Enjoy your pension.
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Dezzie
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Posted - 01/06/2012 : 09:48:08
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| Anyone who's visited their local G.P. and found them a tad rude or ignorrant or generally disinterested, remember, they - in the majority of cases - only see the ailment and not the patient. Visiting the your G.P can be a pretty traumatic experience given your ailment/s but remember there are thousands passing through his office annually with lesser and more severe cases than yours.. seeing your doc' is also the first hurdle for more serious cases before they hand you over to the specialists etc.. and they get to deal with all walks of life.. glamorous, ehh! |
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crafty
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Posted - 01/06/2012 : 09:54:44
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| I agree Dezzie but something is wrong when so many people have a grim view of their GP. For the sake of balance, my old family GP was fantastic. He understood that patients need two things - information and understanding. That's it. |
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StormBlast
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Posted - 01/06/2012 : 09:58:00
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| If the salaries were lower you'd still get great minds wanting to do it, but for the right reasons. Obviously medicine is one of the most competitive educational areas to get into, which means a mix of people with a real passion for it, and people with dollar signs in their eyes. Lower salaries and there'd surely still be enough able people going for the role to go around? |
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crafty
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Posted - 01/06/2012 : 10:05:18
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| I don't think that would work. It's a balance of knowledge and empathy and you can't buy that. It's the same qualities in the teaching game - either you have ot to give or you don't. |
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Yard
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Posted - 01/06/2012 : 10:13:53
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Thats about it for GPs really? They guess what's up with you and if they guess wrong you have to trudge back until they get it right?
My doctor gave me statins but no advice whatsoever.Subsequently my bones were aching and with severe backache I thought that I was set for a career path of playing poker in a cafe all day and wandering around boot sales as a wheeler dealer?
I came across an article which alerted me to the side effects of statins and she said 'Oh yes they can cause this,you should have come back to me.'
A&E doctors have to make life and death calls within seconds...as there's no going back.
GPs have it easy compared to them.As a mere layman how much of their work is simple repetition? |
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thedrumcrew
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Posted - 01/06/2012 : 13:14:40
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Originally posted by scoobydude
Let's drop the doctors wages to the average level, and see what kind of people you get wanting to be doctors. It's not an average job, and frankly I want the best minds doing it, not your average Joe. It has to offer a premium to get the best people studying medicine, or they'll all go off and do something more profitable. When I need a doctor I want to know that they're the some of the most able people in society, and I'm quite happy to pay a premium for it. It's funny how there's no uproar about MP's wages or the VERY generous pension terms they enjoy....
Why dont' they see what we see.
The country is in a mess and everyone need to give abit not go on strike.
We are fecked not now but about 7 years time the sh-t will really hit the fan |
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Wannabedrummer
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Posted - 01/06/2012 : 13:20:29
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I think its very unfair to brand being a GP as relatively easy. Yes, you come across the usual stuff which might make them appear disinterested. god knows it mus t bore you to death seeing 50 old dears walk in to your office every day with the same complaints. not to mention the hundreds of people who shouldn't even be there in the first place.
A key skill of a GP is to recongise the unusual, too and refer/treat as appropriate. THAT is why they're heavily recompensed. They need the knowledge just in case they come across it.
In the same way, you don't pay a surgeon oodles of cash to stick a grommet in a child's ear, that's easy and I reckon I could do it after a few trys. No, you pay them oodles of cash for those situations which are unusual needing extra skills, or for when things go wrong. THAT is their skill. |
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pure_rock_fury
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Posted - 01/06/2012 : 15:08:03
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If you think all GPs are paid more than one hundred thousand pounds per year then you can get to feck.
If you can't recognise their value to society then you can get to feck.
If you think their job is easy then you can certainly get to feck.
If you haven't read anything about this extremely complex matter in a medium beyond a tabloid newspaper and are espousing ill-thought out drivel then you can feck the feck right off to feck.
As far as I'm aware, GPs were offered a pension deal that was later withdrawn after it was agreed upon. At the very, very least, this is nothing more than workers protesting a retraction of previously negotiated working conditions. |
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gaz farrimond
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Posted - 01/06/2012 : 15:14:17
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I do not agree that any public sector workers should be able to strike, end of.
But I do believe that GP's, in most cases, are under-appreciated. They get paid well because if we didn't, they would just go somewhere else; any Commonwealth country (And many others) would immediately grant a work permit for a UK GP to move there. That is why we have many, many overseas students who want a medical qualification from the UK.
The strike is not about pay, but changes in pension provision: Something happening across the board in the public sector except for, at the moment, MP's. The pensions for the public sector are final salary based, the Government want to make this based on an average salary; but anything accrued up to April 2015, when the new rules come in, is ring fenced and cannot be touched. Without sounding smug, the pension I will receive at 45 for 22 years work, linked to my current pay, is more than the average wage earned in the town I grew up. This is just not sustainable in the long term without us going down the same road as Greece.
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thedrumcrew
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Posted - 01/06/2012 : 15:38:44
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Originally posted by pure_rock_fury
If you think all GPs are paid more than one hundred thousand pounds per year then you can get to feck.
If you can't recognise their value to society then you can get to feck.
If you think their job is easy then you can certainly get to feck.
If you haven't read anything about this extremely complex matter in a medium beyond a tabloid newspaper and are espousing ill-thought out drivel then you can feck the feck right off to feck.
As far as I'm aware, GPs were offered a pension deal that was later withdrawn after it was agreed upon. At the very, very least, this is nothing more than workers protesting a retraction of previously negotiated working conditions.
If the pot does not have the money to pay them as things have changed and the country is running out of money.
The poeple that cannot see this is not thinking about the furtrue and they can all feck off.
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scoobydude
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Posted - 01/06/2012 : 15:48:22
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Originally posted by thedrumcrew
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Originally posted by pure_rock_fury
If you think all GPs are paid more than one hundred thousand pounds per year then you can get to feck.
If you can't recognise their value to society then you can get to feck.
If you think their job is easy then you can certainly get to feck.
If you haven't read anything about this extremely complex matter in a medium beyond a tabloid newspaper and are espousing ill-thought out drivel then you can feck the feck right off to feck.
As far as I'm aware, GPs were offered a pension deal that was later withdrawn after it was agreed upon. At the very, very least, this is nothing more than workers protesting a retraction of previously negotiated working conditions.
If the pot does not have the money to pay them as things have changed and the country is running out of money.
The poeple that cannot see this is not thinking about the furtrue and they can all feck off.
We had the money and blow it
If we spent slightly less money on trying to kill people around the world and slightly more on looking after our own population with better health care and education the world would generally be a better place. Members of the government are always quite happy to cut spending on the NHS and education, because they're all safe in the knowledge that they won't ever use either. |
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thedrumcrew
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Posted - 01/06/2012 : 15:48:30
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Soldiers Police Nurses they all do great jobs just like Doctors.
I know most are not happy with things Police force are being hit big time. The Nurses are run off there feet and there is cutbacks in the Amry.
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Brigham
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Posted - 01/06/2012 : 16:01:38
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Originally posted by pure_rock_fury
If you think all GPs are paid more than one hundred thousand pounds per year then you can get to feck.
If you can't recognise their value to society then you can get to feck.
If you think their job is easy then you can certainly get to feck.
If you haven't read anything about this extremely complex matter in a medium beyond a tabloid newspaper and are espousing ill-thought out drivel then you can feck the feck right off to feck.
As far as I'm aware, GPs were offered a pension deal that was later withdrawn after it was agreed upon. At the very, very least, this is nothing more than workers protesting a retraction of previously negotiated working conditions.
This. I'm quite pally with my GP and we have discussed this. He works his arse off for a lot less than 100k a year. Why does everyone think that a GP only works 9-5? |
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averagewaistdude
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Posted - 01/06/2012 : 16:11:11
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<waits for docadiddle to redress the balance....>
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Bulldog123
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Posted - 01/06/2012 : 16:31:21
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Originally posted by thedrumcrew
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Originally posted by scoobydude
Let's drop the doctors wages to the average level, and see what kind of people you get wanting to be doctors. It's not an average job, and frankly I want the best minds doing it, not your average Joe. It has to offer a premium to get the best people studying medicine, or they'll all go off and do something more profitable. When I need a doctor I want to know that they're the some of the most able people in society, and I'm quite happy to pay a premium for it. It's funny how there's no uproar about MP's wages or the VERY generous pension terms they enjoy....
Why dont' they see what we see.
The country is in a mess and everyone need to give abit not go on strike.
We are fecked not now but about 7 years time the sh-t will really hit the fan
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thedrumcrew
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Posted - 01/06/2012 : 16:55:06
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Bulldog
We have talked in the past about the country and ive always talk about the kids future.
Remember 7 years from now see what left for them. Please don't forget what as been said please remember all the comments ive had on here saying i am wrong.
Some call it doom and gloom i call it reality the only thing we can do is trust the government to save money and spend it wisely which will never happen.
Now Bulldog tell me how we are going to get out of the debt we are in if Doctor and so on don't take cuts. We need to do it so the kids of the future will not be born into debt.
How do you see the future
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stakka
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Posted - 01/06/2012 : 17:37:56
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| It is not about whether GPs are good, bad, worth it or not worth it......... a massive proportion of society has been hit and had to accept compromises due to the world economic situation - some far worse than not getting quite as much pension than they were originally promised. Many lower paid health workers are being hit hard too so why should GP's, who are all comfortably paid, be exempt from what a lot of people are going through ? - plus still be allowed to strike when they are working in the public sector. |
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thedrumcrew
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Posted - 01/06/2012 : 17:39:27
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It is not about whether GPs are good, bad, worth it or not worth it......... a massive proportion of society has been hit and had to accept compromises due to the world economic situation - some far worse than not getting quite as much pension than they were originally promised. Many lower paid health workers are being hit hard too so why should GP's, who are all comfortably paid, be exempt from what a lot of people are going through ? - plus still be allowed to strike when they are working in the public sector.
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Grahame B
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Posted - 01/06/2012 : 19:59:37
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Originally posted by Brigham
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Originally posted by pure_rock_fury
If you think all GPs are paid more than one hundred thousand pounds per year then you can get to feck.
If you can't recognise their value to society then you can get to feck.
If you think their job is easy then you can certainly get to feck.
If you haven't read anything about this extremely complex matter in a medium beyond a tabloid newspaper and are espousing ill-thought out drivel then you can feck the feck right off to feck.
As far as I'm aware, GPs were offered a pension deal that was later withdrawn after it was agreed upon. At the very, very least, this is nothing more than workers protesting a retraction of previously negotiated working conditions.
This. I'm quite pally with my GP and we have discussed this. He works his arse off for a lot less than 100k a year. Why does everyone think that a GP only works 9-5?
Yes! ( we agree again Brig )
Victoria Coren puts it very well.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18294656
I think some of the public need to look beyond the tabloids too.
This is from the doctors ( note GPs, Hospital Consultants and junior doctors )
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-18275653
some main points if you can't be arsed to read it:
'On that day, doctors will be in their usual workplaces but providing urgent and emergency care only", wrote the BMA.'
'It was important to explain, the letter said, that action was being taken "in order that our voice is heard by the government", so that doctors could get fair - not preferential - treatment.'
'Under the plans, which apply to England and Wales but could be introduced elsewhere in the UK, the age at which doctors retire would rise from 65 to 68 by 2015.
The contributions doctors have to make are also due to rise.
The union has also questioned government claims that the current scheme - which was only agreed in 2008 - was unsustainable, pointing out it brings in a £2bn-a-year surplus.'
And finally , as Brig says - this figure of £100 thousand...is more Lansley bollix. Divide and conquer ( well Brig might not afgree with the last bit )
some figures :
Doctors in training
Doctors in training earn a basic salary and will be paid a supplement if they work more than 40 hours and/or work outside the hours of 7am-7pm Monday to Friday.
In the most junior hospital trainee post (Foundation Year 1) the basic starting salary is £22,412. This increases in Foundation Year 2 to £27,798. For a doctor in specialist training the basic starting salary is £29,705. If the doctor is contracted to work more than 40 hours and/or to work outside 7am-7pm Monday to Friday, they will receive an additional supplement which will normally be between 20% and 50% of basic salary. This supplement is based on the extra hours worked above a 40 hour standard working week and the intensity of the work.
Specialty doctor and associate specialist (2008) (SAS doctors)
Doctors in the new specialty doctor grade earn between £36,807 and £70,126.
Consultants
Consultants can earn a basic salary of between £74,504 and £100,446 per year, dependent on length of service. Local and national clinical excellence awards may be awarded subject to meeting the necessary criteria.
General practitioners
Many general practitioners (GPs) are self employed and hold contracts, either on their own or as part of a partnership, with their local primary care trust (PCT). The profit of GPs varies according to the services they provide for their patients and the way they choose to provide these services.
Salaried GPs employed directly by PCTs earn between £53,781 to £81,158, dependent on, among other factors, length of service and experience.
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A friend of mine is a Junior Doctor - she was on about £24.000 a year ( so according to the figures above it's gone up a bit ) she worked bloody hard for that.
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Dezzie
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Posted - 01/06/2012 : 20:48:46
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thedrumcrew
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Posted - 01/06/2012 : 21:13:20
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Yes they work hard yes they have to work hard to get there but they wanted to become doctors.
Same as soldier want to fight for our country but they still have cuts.
I just don't see why they should strike.
I only posted this after seeing a video on facebook
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NormanHouse
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Posted - 02/06/2012 : 08:51:34
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I fully support the Strike.
Thankyou Brig and Grahame B for responding with sense and data.
Sometimes I look at the rabid Daily Mail like posts and despair.
People moaning about salaries paid to people who are cleverer than they and getting bitter and twisted. Why not go and become a GP if it's such a easy well paid option?
Stop giving us your boring anecdotes and take a bigger view. It's not even about pay it's about Pensions.
The NHS is one of the things that make me proud to be British. Attack it at your peril. No one is pretending it's perfect - How could something so vast ever be perfect?
Carry on like this and you will be paying £75 for that 5 mins with your GP and the prescription will be £30 on top.
It's slowly being eroded - look at the proliferation of High Street Opticians? Dental Charges?
On the broader point of Public Sector pay and conditions I'll say this:
There is an RAF Camp but a stones throw from me, what do you think a mid ranking Officer there is on? What do think a Primary School Head is on? A dentist?
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thedrumcrew
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Posted - 02/06/2012 : 09:48:36
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Is a doctor's job more important then a policemen or soldier
I would say there all the same they all do amazing jobs and i think they all work hard.
But they will all have cuts to there wages pension's it may not be fair but the country is not fair and we are skint.
Will the doctors still be financially ok with the cuts i think they will
Will soldiers i don't know time will tell.
I am not having a go at doctors but you say about us paying £75 for 5 mins.
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thedrumcrew
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Posted - 02/06/2012 : 10:12:34
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People moaning about salaries paid to people who are cleverer than they and getting bitter and twisted.
Most people are cleverer than me and to be fair i am ok with that. But the clever people only seem to think about there lifes not the future and if they did then they would see there not much for the kids to look forward to.
Do you think i am wrong. |
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Grahame B
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Posted - 02/06/2012 : 10:30:56
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Mr 'crew, did you miss this bit of my post ?
'It was important to explain, the letter said, that action was being taken "in order that our voice is heard by the government", so that doctors could get fair - not preferential - treatment.'
The union has also questioned government claims that the current scheme - which was only agreed in 2008 - was unsustainable, pointing out it brings in a £2bn-a-year surplus.'
Could someone tell me who 'we' owe this money to ? -and will our kids forgive us for rolling over and accepting all the bollix we are fed so that they can privatise the nhs and education ( and anything else they can think of ) so that a few can make a profit from it. Our kids will be paying for all that too.
lansley is refusing to have any dialogue - he's being deliberately confrontational. This isn't about pay or greed , it's about honesty and trust.
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Posted - 02/06/2012 : 11:43:21
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NormanHouse
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Posted - 02/06/2012 : 11:59:17
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quote:
Originally posted by thedrumcrew
Is a doctor's job more important then a policemen or soldier
I would say there all the same they all do amazing jobs and i think they all work hard.
But they will all have cuts to there wages pension's it may not be fair but the country is not fair and we are skint.
Will the doctors still be financially ok with the cuts i think they will
Will soldiers i don't know time will tell.
I am not having a go at doctors but you say about us paying £75 for 5 mins.
If we don't pay what we owe then the kids will be paying it for sure
The Police were attacking the Home Secretary last week and protesting en masse.
No one has yet suggested cutting Soldiers pay. Thousands of redundancies and MoD civilians having Pension and Pay cuts has thus far insulated against this.
It's not just the Doctors who are angry. You keep saying the country is broke but we are spending Billions funding a giant sports day called the Olympics, Where are all our Taxes going? Every millionaire i the country was handed a £50k gift by Osbourne in the March Budget. |
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Th0mas25
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Posted - 02/06/2012 : 12:17:05
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I'm not sure whether I agree with the strike or not. But I've always thought that when it comes to pensions and working conditions... the government should not go back on what was promised. Yes by all means change the T&Cs for someone coming into a job now, but don't have someone working 40 years and looking foward to retirement and then pull the rug out from under them.
I understand that the country has to make savings but it still definitely seems to be the 'little people' bearing the brunt of the cuts, and still not the politicians & bankers who caused most of this anyway... they must be rubbing their hands in glee at this doctors strike situation as most of the country are now bitching about the doctors and not aiming their anger and concern at the people who actually deserve it!
Also, so many of the cuts are only short term penny pinching... cut education, cut public facilities like libraries, pools, gyms etc. cut the health service... what do you have in a few years time? More sick people, more unemployment, and more unemployable people, probably more crime... which I reckon is all going to cost more in benefits, housing, healthcare etc. in the long run than what the government is saving at the moment. But the Condems don't give a crap because they'll be out by then and they can point their finger at the leading party and blame them instead  |
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NormanHouse
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Posted - 02/06/2012 : 12:40:55
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quote:
Originally posted by Th0mas25
I'm not sure whether I agree with the strike or not. But I've always thought that when it comes to pensions and working conditions... the government should not go back on what was promised. Yes by all means change the T&Cs for someone coming into a job now, but don't have someone working 40 years and looking foward to retirement and then pull the rug out from under them.
I understand that the country has to make savings but it still definitely seems to be the 'little people' bearing the brunt of the cuts, and still not the politicians & bankers who caused most of this anyway... they must be rubbing their hands in glee at this doctors strike situation as most of the country are now bitching about the doctors and not aiming their anger and concern at the people who actually deserve it!
Also, so many of the cuts are only short term penny pinching... cut education, cut public facilities like libraries, pools, gyms etc. cut the health service... what do you have in a few years time? More sick people, more unemployment, and more unemployable people, probably more crime... which I reckon is all going to cost more in benefits, housing, healthcare etc. in the long run than what the government is saving at the moment. But the Condems don't give a crap because they'll be out by then and they can point their finger at the leading party and blame them instead
Well put - people were not just 'promised' terms and conditions it was a contract of employment.
Give the option of opting out, offer an incentive to opt out, offer early release packages, apply the changes to new starters - Don't just change the rules. There are fair and decent ways and means of treating people. |
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rollingthunder
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Posted - 02/06/2012 : 18:24:16
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A woman GP, a complete stranger, on her way to a colleagues wedding stopped and got out a car to help when I collapsed in the street with a ruptured appendix. She accompanied me to hospital in the ambulance and missed the church service.
When my wife was terminally ill, our GP went way beyond the call of duty and popped in most days. I found out later it was during her lunch hour. She was visiting on her own time.
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thedrumcrew
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Posted - 03/06/2012 : 07:36:12
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Right the first one's to get there pensions cut i think where the council workers. Did not see the whole country get behind them.
They lost and so will the doctors by the looks of it.
The soldiers have not have pay or pension cuts they have just lost soldiers which at this time is one of the worse cuts we are going to see.
You say
You keep saying the country is broke but we are spending Billions funding a giant sports day called the Olympics, Where are all our Taxes going? Every millionaire i the country was handed a £50k gift by Osbourne in the March Budget.
Yes both thing i don't agree with
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gaz farrimond
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Posted - 03/06/2012 : 09:52:03
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Originally posted by NormanHouse
On the broader point of Public Sector pay and conditions I'll say this:
There is an RAF Camp but a stones throw from me, what do you think a mid ranking Officer there is on? What do think a Primary School Head is on? A dentist?
Mid ranking will be Squadron Leader (Or Major/Lieutenant Commander) pay is £47K-£57K per annum dependant on length of service. Pension paid at 65 after 15 years service (Average for non-pilot RAF) Lump sum £24K, pension £13K.
Head and deputy head teachers pay (England & Wales) £42K-£106K dependant on scale point and location. Pension paid immediately after 32 years (Average teacher working length) Lump sum £96K, pension £32K.
Armed forces pay has not been cut, but has been frozen for 3 years. So effectively a pay cut at whatever percentage points inflation is at the time.
The military pensions have been reviewed and from 2015 will be in line with the new average salary pension model being put in place by the government for all public sector employees. This is the second pension change for the military in the last 10 years, with the last being the SDR in 2004.
As for the Olympics, we got the Olympics in 2004, I didn't see many people complaining then. Unfortunately we are stuck with it and the games need to go ahead. Don't get me wrong, I really don't care as to who puts on the Olympics, and I do believe that the money would have been better spent elsewhere. But would people still be complaining as much if it were the World Cup? After all, that didn't almost bankrupt South Africa did it?
But, back to the point, public service pensions do need some form of revision; and, for the most part, the pensions conditions of anyone currently employed in public service are still fixed until the change over in 2015.
But, can the country really afford to be giving out £20K+ (Dependant on position and pay, it can be double this) pensions to people at age 40 until they die? 40 is the youngest you can be to qualify for an immediate payment government pension after giving 22 years of reckonable service.
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beezerk
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Posted - 03/06/2012 : 10:44:21
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quote:
Originally posted by rollingthunder
A woman GP, a complete stranger, on her way to a colleagues wedding stopped and got out a car to help when I collapsed in the street with a ruptured appendix. She accompanied me to hospital in the ambulance and missed the church service.
When my wife was terminally ill, our GP went way beyond the call of duty and popped in most days. I found out later it was during her lunch hour. She was visiting on her own time.
I'm on their side.
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