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David Smaylen
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United Kingdom
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 Posted - 19/06/2012 : 16:58:24
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| One up/one down (is there any real point in two down?) with ride in place of 2nd tom or two up/one down with ride over floor tom? I play funk/blues - nothing flash. I have recently seen Karl Brazil (amongst others) playing wonderful stuff on one up/one down. Thought if it's good enough for him etc etc. Also have various toms I never seem to use these days. |
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nickh
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United Kingdom
298 Posts |
Posted - 19/06/2012 : 17:07:49
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Take the plunge and if you don't like it jump back out again.
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David Smaylen
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
722 Posts |
Posted - 19/06/2012 : 17:12:17
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| It's a bit more permanent than that - to finance a new kit, I neeed to sell off most of my current gear - so there isn't really a plan B. |
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thebeaver
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
1841 Posts |
Posted - 19/06/2012 : 19:36:43
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Originally posted by David Smaylen
is there any real point in two down?
People who want the option of 3 toms but in bigger sizes. Ever tried to stick a 14 inch tom over your bass drum? |
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nickh
Excellent Contributer
United Kingdom
298 Posts |
Posted - 19/06/2012 : 19:39:28
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Arr I see, no plan B. I'm a poet and I didn't even know it.
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davidh
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
1157 Posts |
Posted - 19/06/2012 : 20:40:54
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| I cannot count the number of gigs where I barely touched the floor tom. My first new Premier kit 1962 arrived in stages as I could afford it - a Hi Fi snare, then a 20" bass, then a 12" tom - didn't get the 16" floor tom till 1966 and never quite figured out what to do with it. But I still lug one about. One up one down is enough for me |
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drummerNick
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United Kingdom
855 Posts |
Posted - 19/06/2012 : 20:44:50
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| I've got a 60 Luddy downbeat with a 12 up and a 14 down. I've just spent silly money on a matching 16 from the US that makes a very handy stand for my phone, sticks, Mars bar etc. 1 up, 1 down. It's all you need! |
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G Lo
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United Kingdom
412 Posts |
Posted - 19/06/2012 : 20:48:25
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Do a gig or rehersal with a 1 up 1 down and see how it feels.....
Personally - I'm never going to bother with more..... |
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halfDeadMuffinMan
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 19/06/2012 : 21:06:01
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| Every time I add a 2nd tom up front I never play the thing. You can do plenty with 1 up and 1 down too. |
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David Smaylen
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United Kingdom
722 Posts |
Posted - 19/06/2012 : 23:00:42
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| I seem to remember that Buddy Rich said his second floor tom was just somewhere to put his towel. |
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Twotoms
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
758 Posts |
Posted - 19/06/2012 : 23:09:25
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| Two toms.....plenty |
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thebeaver
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19/06/2012 : 23:28:41
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Originally posted by David Smaylen
I seem to remember that Buddy Rich said his second floor tom was just somewhere to put his towel.
He said it but there's plent of footage of him using it!
I used to be one up one down and say that "it's all you need / forces you to be more creative etc...", but honestly adding one (sometimes two) was such a good decision for me. I didn't know how to use that extra tom, and I think that's sometimes the issue with others (not all!). Now I have so much more musical and melodic option in situations that call for it, and there are plenty of them in what I do. |
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TimSharp
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 19/06/2012 : 23:42:51
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| remember because you own them doesnt mean you have to take it all. Presumably you are looking at 12,14,16. Depending on the gig you have options of which floor to use. I have thought at times i could really do with a 14 floor as my 16 isnt doing it for this particular situ. A friend of mine has a double floor setup but finds he hasnt the room in half the venues he plays so it goes back in the car. |
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Scotty
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 20/06/2012 : 09:14:47
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Originally posted by David Smaylen
It's a bit more permanent than that - to finance a new kit, I neeed to sell off most of my current gear - so there isn't really a plan B.
For years, I played a one up two down, but used the 13x9 as my 'first' floor tom (in those days, on a snare stand). Perhaps you could try that for feel at a practice? |
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Bewdy
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United Kingdom
820 Posts |
Posted - 20/06/2012 : 09:22:49
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| I'll offer a different perspective. I like you am considering a new kit, and something that has struck me about my old kit (which I've had for over 20 years) is that because I have such a range of add on toms for it, it's been incredibly versatile over the years, and has let me experiment with different setups without having to trade in the whole kit. Occasionally I've played it as an 8/12/14 kit, but sometimes I've switched to 12/13/16. I've also run as 12/14/16 in the past too. Now I'm finally contemplating an upgrade I would definitely only consider getting a kit with a couple of add on toms. |
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mully
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 20/06/2012 : 09:27:02
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Originally posted by David Smaylen
One up/one down (is there any real point in two down?)
Yes. More 5h1t to hit.
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Me2.
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United Kingdom
12466 Posts |
Posted - 20/06/2012 : 10:02:43
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swampy
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
401 Posts |
Posted - 20/06/2012 : 10:32:22
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Apropos to nothing...
I've just bought a HUGE second hand Premier projector kit with 8,10,13,14,15 (rack) and 16 (floor) toms and 22 bass
I therefore now currently have two kits for the price of one:
13 (up), 15 (down), and 22 bass
8, 10 (up) , 14 (down) with 16 as a bass drum
Slightly odd sizes but they all sound great!
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New Boy
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 20/06/2012 : 12:22:58
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Originally posted by Bewdy
I'll offer a different perspective. I like you am considering a new kit, and something that has struck me about my old kit (which I've had for over 20 years) is that because I have such a range of add on toms for it, it's been incredibly versatile over the years, and has let me experiment with different setups without having to trade in the whole kit. Occasionally I've played it as an 8/12/14 kit, but sometimes I've switched to 12/13/16. I've also run as 12/14/16 in the past too. Now I'm finally contemplating an upgrade I would definitely only consider getting a kit with a couple of add on toms.
This,
I ordered my Carrera kit with 10, 12, 14 & 16. I've only usually played one up one down or two up one down. I chose this selection to cover any configuration I want to try.
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thebeaver
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United Kingdom
1841 Posts |
Posted - 20/06/2012 : 12:27:50
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| Yeah it's a good shout, I only have one kit but in 8, 10, 12, 13, 14, 16 (and a couple of snares). Have never had the whole thing up at once, but I got a kit that size to cover all bases and act as like 4 or 5 different kits in one. I generally just pick the two or three toms most suitable that that night's particular show. |
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David Smaylen
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United Kingdom
722 Posts |
Posted - 20/06/2012 : 13:06:17
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| This is a nightmare! I take on board all that you say about having a range of toms to experiment with. I currently have 8,10,12,13 and 16 but for about a year now I have only been using 12,16 and of course bass drum. The kit I am dithering over is 12x9, 16x13,22x18 and it is unlikely that I will be able to find (or more likely afford) additional sizes. Nonetheless, I am poised to do the deed and have to make the decision by Friday. I am pretty sure I will go for it, but am I going to regret it? Probably not. But then again........... |
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thebeaver
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United Kingdom
1841 Posts |
Posted - 20/06/2012 : 13:41:34
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| You can't win mate you know if you keep em you'll never use them but the second you get rid, a gig will come in requiring aaaaall those sizes! :-) |
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logic_user99
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 20/06/2012 : 14:57:36
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Originally posted by Twotoms
Two toms.....plenty
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dogface
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 20/06/2012 : 15:07:37
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| If you've been playing one up one down for a year already, surely you know whether or not you like it, don't you? I think you already know which way you want to go - just listen to voice inside your head (unless it's telling you to kill somebody - then ignore it and go and see a doctor). |
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thebeaver
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 20/06/2012 : 16:21:22
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Originally posted by logic_user99
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Originally posted by Twotoms
Two toms.....plenty
This.
For everything? |
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swampy
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 20/06/2012 : 16:57:56
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Originally posted by dogface
If you've been playing one up one down for a year already, surely you know whether or not you like it, don't you? I think you already know which way you want to go - just listen to voice inside your head (unless it's telling you to kill somebody - then ignore it and go and see a doctor).
as Rothstein said on Boardwalk empire
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Flip a coin.
When it's in the air, you'll know which side you're hoping for.
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David Smaylen
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
722 Posts |
Posted - 20/06/2012 : 20:27:00
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| One of my all time favourite drummers, Mickey Barker, has gone from his massive set up with Magnum which looked like an oil rig, to bass/snare/hi-hat/ride and still absolutely blows me away with his playing. I think I have talked myself into it...still got until Friday to fret about it though! |
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premsthebiz
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 20/06/2012 : 22:51:06
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All very personal really I'd say, and depends on what you play. However, I went from 2 up 1 down to 1 up 1 down and won't change again......unless it was to add a second floor tom, because I love the big, deep sound of fills on floor toms! Most likely won't bother though as just too much to lug around and takes up too much space in small venues.
Conclusion - 1 up, 1 down! |
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David Smaylen
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United Kingdom
722 Posts |
Posted - 21/06/2012 : 21:06:10
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| Done it! Bought a Tama Starclassic 12x9, 16x13, 22x18. Picking it up tomorrow - I'm like a kid on Xmas Eve! Many thanks to all of you for your input and advice. I love this forum! |
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