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djohnson1974
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United Kingdom
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 Posted - 10/07/2012 : 12:05:41
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Just got some G1 resos to put on my 10, 12 and 14 toms under Remo Vintage E batters.
I know tuning is a very personal thing but what would be a nice starting point for this combination of heads? |
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beezerk
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United Kingdom
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djohnson1974
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
409 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2012 : 14:24:45
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Would be nice if anyone could give me some idea of tuning relationships to try between head and batter i.e. 1/4 turn off slack for batter and 3/4 of slack for reso as I'm a little impatient and haven't got the time to spend 3 hours on each drum
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docadiddle
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 10/07/2012 : 15:32:40
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| If it's any help, I've got Vintage A (not E) over G1 and this has been by far the easiest combination for me (no expert) to tune. My resos are medium/high, I'd say, and the batters slightly lower; "dum doom"- 12,16. In my relatively limited experience, by far the best sounding combination I've ever used. |
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rytenuff
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United Kingdom
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TimSharp
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United Kingdom
506 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2012 : 22:38:30
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| i would get the bottom heads to he pitch i want the toms then tune the top into them, just like Mr Weckl. Try hitting the top as you tune them up and stop when it sounds good! should work well that combo =) |
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djohnson1974
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/07/2012 : 09:18:30
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| Thanks folks |
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Yard
Advanced Contributer
Uzbekistan
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Posted - 16/07/2012 : 20:47:07
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Beez is right...its simple boing,booma,boom.
Don't tune to a note...its anal |
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drummerNick
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 17/07/2012 : 00:31:16
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| I pitch tune my toms and tune my metal snare to C top and A bottom, a tone down on a wood shell. It makes a massive difference. Tonal tuning isn't "anal" you are wrong |
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Yard
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Uzbekistan
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Posted - 19/07/2012 : 09:15:57
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Righty ho Nick...it's still anal!
Maybe my ears are a tuner without me knowing? You should tune to suit the music being played.
Drumming should be fun...not a contest for survival of the fittest! |
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dwpaddy
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Ireland
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Posted - 19/07/2012 : 09:26:37
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I have been both complimented and ridiculed over my tuning.....and I couldn't care a jot either way.
If I choose to gaffer tape a piece of cardboard to a drum head for 'my' sound, then thats what I shall do. (I don't but if I wanted to I could).
If I like the way it sounds, and of course it suits the music I play, then thats good enough for me.
I tend to spend a bit of time tinkering with my snare, but very little time on anything else.
I'm happy with my tuning, if someone isn't then tough!
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luke3030
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 19/07/2012 : 12:13:54
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Yard
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Uzbekistan
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Posted - 19/07/2012 : 12:50:45
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Whatever makes you happy is how tuning is achieved?
It is a mix of sound and stick response.
I have never tuned a drum to a note knowingly which is why my life has been spent in thrift shops or waiting my turn at Social Services for some dough.
To date no one has liked the snare of a certain drummer I take care of until he hits it...they have without exception said 'Oh no' and I never tell them that it is his main snare that they all rave about...science is a weird thing eh? |
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MustangMick
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Ireland
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Posted - 19/07/2012 : 18:25:45
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Started out as a Timpanist first so tuning to a "note" is an easy and repeatable reference/starting point.
Tune bottom heads to get the pitch you want, getting the note at each lug. For me it would be
10 - E
12 - B
14 - E
I tune the top head so its the same pitch (hitting in the centre) as the note on the bottom.
Adjust to taste from there. A Double headed tom is not a pure note like Timpani but it'll give you a 4th and 5th between the toms for a nice spread.
Mick
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Yard
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Uzbekistan
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Posted - 19/07/2012 : 19:54:19
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| I might have to go to Drumtech to study ...I could make a career out of this if I stick at it? |
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Yard
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Uzbekistan
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Posted - 19/07/2012 : 20:11:28
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I try and keep things simple as not all drummers have been to a tutor or music school.
Thousands learn from records..the more technical it gets,the less fun you have. |
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MustangMick
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Ireland
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Posted - 20/07/2012 : 09:37:53
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Whatever works for that particular drummer. The other way to do it on a 10 12 14 set is to get the floor tom tuned where you want it and then tune the 12 up to a 4th above (First two notes of 'Here Comes the Bride')
Tune the 10" tom relative to the 12 next.
Just some suggestions there are many other ways to tune toms.
All drummers should learn something about notation and pitch intervals. It only helps communicating ideas and suggestions to other musicians.
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Drum-RoomCoUk
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 24/07/2012 : 19:54:32
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Originally posted by dwpaddy
I have been both complimented and ridiculed over my tuning.....and I couldn't care a jot either way.
If I choose to gaffer tape a piece of cardboard to a drum head for 'my' sound, then thats what I shall do. (I don't but if I wanted to I could).
If I like the way it sounds, and of course it suits the music I play, then thats good enough for me.
I tend to spend a bit of time tinkering with my snare, but very little time on anything else.
I'm happy with my tuning, if someone isn't then tough!
Excellent point well made, man. It's simple - get the sound you want, in whatever way you want. When they sound the way you want them, you feel inspired and play better, right? |
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Grahame B
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Posted - 26/07/2012 : 21:51:06
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Bim, Bam, Bom..... DOOOF
Tak.
There, 'tuned'. |
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Blackstone
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USA
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Posted - 30/07/2012 : 18:10:59
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check out this little gadget. I love it. I was totally against it when first brought to my attention, but I admit, I was wrong.
http://www.zzounds.com/item--AHEDD
it's called the Drum Dial. this won't help you tune to a certain key, but it will get the tension on you're heads even all the way around. I can tune my whole kit with new heads(top and bottom) in about 30 minutes.
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MacDB7
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/08/2012 : 11:36:51
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remember that the tuning of the bottom head (for toms) will affect tuning & resonance.
If you have the resonant head tuned a lot higher than your batter, the drum will have a shorter sound.
This is more noticeable in bass drum tunings but still something to bear in mind, especially on your floor tom. |
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Drum_of_Beer
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/08/2012 : 18:15:06
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Bong ... Bufff
twiddle, twiddle, dum de dum diddly dee:
Bong ... Bunggg
Hmmm ...twiddle, tap, twiddle:
Bong ... Booong
humph ...twiddle, tap, twiddle, twiddle, tap:
Beng ... Booong
Grrr ...twiddle, twoddle, tap, tap, tap, twuntity twiddle tap:
Bengk ...Bongk
Bleedy, bleedy, bleedy. Cup of tea.....
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docadiddle
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/08/2012 : 22:41:39
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quote:
Originally posted by Drum_of_Beer
Bong ... Bufff
twiddle, twiddle, dum de dum diddly dee:
Bong ... Bunggg
Hmmm ...twiddle, tap, twiddle:
Bong ... Booong
humph ...twiddle, tap, twiddle, twiddle, tap:
Beng ... Booong
Grrr ...twiddle, twoddle, tap, tap, tap, twuntity twiddle tap:
Bengk ...Bongk
Bleedy, bleedy, bleedy. Cup of tea.....
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