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Mukund
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 Posted - 11/07/2012 : 15:34:00
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Hey everyone
ok so i have always been fascinated by ghost and grace notes
but never paid much attention
but recently after learning a basic beat with those notes
i thought i should go more in deep
so now here is the problem
in everyone groove i play or every metal beat i play
i am trying to play ghost notes and grace notes
is this a bad habit ?
will i get over it ?
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moosetication
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Captain Bubble
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/07/2012 : 15:41:16
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| Yup, music first. Also ensure grace notes are a good degree quieter than normal notes, or you end up with a messy confusion. |
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martydrums
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/07/2012 : 15:49:29
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Remember that Grace notes and Ghost notes are not the same thing.
Grace notes are the ones that don't have any "real" note value (you can't count them) They are typically the ickle note next to the "main" note in a flam.
Ghost notes do have "real" note value and are just 1/8s 1/16s or whatever. The thing with ghost notes is that they are at a much lower volume than your accented notes. Playing ghosts too loud can easily spoil that nice "percolating" groove kind of effect and make the drum part sound way too busy, messy and lacking groove.
Like the others have said, use them if they make a musical contribution to the music and not if they don't.
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logic_user99
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Posted - 11/07/2012 : 16:25:52
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| I can't add anything else of value here; the guys have it covered. Keep 'em musical and you'll be fine. |
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Geoff_fry01
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/07/2012 : 16:32:59
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something to contemplate is there is no right or wrong in musical choice.. it what you want to play..
are you playing too many or not enough?
IMO playing less is often a good plan to keep space for the other members/instuments in the band but the flip side is I have watched drummers butcher a song at a Jam night or gig and very experienced guitar players have leaned over and said WOW this guy is amazing isnt he??
this is overplaying ghost notes...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9jXALaMy4o
right situation .. right choice...
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NCEL
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Posted - 12/07/2012 : 00:03:52
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Ghost notes are an excellent way to work on technique - for example, in a standard snare-on-2-&-4 groove, try playing a ghost note on the snare on the sixteenth before one of those backbeat hits. Obviously the ghosted note needs to be very quiet, but the backbeat needs to be loud - working in that subtle tap before the accented note did a lot for my stick control.
And aye, when playing in a band or along to a track, use them where it's musically appropriate. Toto's Rosanna needs ghost notes - We Will Rock You does not...  |
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New Boy
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Posted - 12/07/2012 : 21:09:30
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quote:
Originally posted by martydrums
Remember that Grace notes and Ghost notes are not the same thing.
Grace notes are the ones that don't have any "real" note value (you can't count them) They are typically the ickle note next to the "main" note in a flam.
Ghost notes do have "real" note value and are just 1/8s 1/16s or whatever. The thing with ghost notes is that they are at a much lower volume than your accented notes. Playing ghosts too loud can easily spoil that nice "percolating" groove kind of effect and make the drum part sound way too busy, messy and lacking groove.
Like the others have said, use them if they make a musical contribution to the music and not if they don't.
Very good point that Marty. |
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monkeythedrummer
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/07/2012 : 22:18:55
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Learning a new trick is a little bit like getting an effects cymbal.
At first you want to use it all the time, but after a while you'll just learn to use it in it's proper musical context.
I avoid these issues by having no technical ability.
And no effects cymbals.
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drumting
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 16/07/2012 : 08:03:53
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quote:
Originally posted by Geoff_fry01
something to contemplate is there is no right or wrong in musical choice.. it what you want to play..
are you playing too many or not enough?
IMO playing less is often a good plan to keep space for the other members/instuments in the band but the flip side is I have watched drummers butcher a song at a Jam night or gig and very experienced guitar players have leaned over and said WOW this guy is amazing isnt he??
this is overplaying ghost notes...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9jXALaMy4o
right situation .. right choice...
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Not sure you've got the right clip there? I'd say that's more overplaying the china maybe? |
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