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Drum_of_Beer
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 Posted - 21/07/2012 : 09:56:23
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There is a post in the ebaygum section, and near the end it refers to inverting a cymbal, and then popping it back, to 'settle' it:
http://www.mikedolbear.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=108400
I find this intriging, if a little scarey, but Pete Riley is mentioned as someone who used to be a regular practitioner of this little known trick, so I expect there is indeed something in it.
Can anyone shed any light on this, or perhaps try it on their new 2002s and let us know how they get on? I'd love to try this, but the truth is my nuts shrivel up at the very thought of it.
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teethmeister
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Posted - 21/07/2012 : 11:38:31
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Flipping a cymbal is something that is done repeatedly during the manufacturing process - if it is old school hand hammered. It is something I wouldn't worry about doing on a relatively young cymbal. Though some thicker and / or higher profile cymbals just won't do it.
On an older, and especially B20 cymbal and especially especially on a Chinese hot-hammered B20 cymbal, I'd be much more cautious about doing this. It puts a lot of strain on the bridge (the region where the bell meets the bow) and could lead to cracking in a more brittle cymbal. |
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Drum_of_Beer
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 21/07/2012 : 14:00:51
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Thanks for the reply Matt, very interesting. So, don't try to flip a heavyweight UFIP Class ride, but for a fairly new 2002 ride in B8 it's 'go on ya wus'.
Continuing with the 2002 ride as an example, seeing as it is made of B8 bronze, would there be a noticable difference in sound if it was flipped? How many times should the flippin' cymbal be flipped?
If hand hammered cymbals are flipped during production, am I right in assuming that flipping would have more effect on the mass produced cymbals -such as the 2002- and very little effect on cymbals such as your own?
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teethmeister
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 21/07/2012 : 23:32:12
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Well, while I know it's not likely to hurt a 2002 ride, I'm not actually sure what it will do to the sound. Not something I've experimented with oustide of making cymbals.
It will be minimal - from no discernable effect to a subtle dulling of the high mids I expect. If you did it hundreds of times, you might crack the cymbal. A couple of times, no problem. What you're doing is artificially aging the bridge region and, to a much lesser extent, the rest of the bow. |
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irish_steve
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 22/07/2012 : 17:22:23
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| That post said John Riley, not Pete, FYI. |
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Drum_of_Beer
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 23/07/2012 : 12:00:23
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Oi, random name time. Yep I_S, 'my bad' -I believe that's the correct phrase in modern ingliish.
Thanks again for sharing your knowledge Matt.
No more questions, stand down.
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shakeyjakey
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Posted - 25/07/2012 : 12:42:43
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| I've done this a few times through necessity - I accidentally inverted several cymbals all in one go once and after popping them back... There was absolutely no noticeable difference. |
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mbettis
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Posted - 06/04/2013 : 20:16:47
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Matt Nolan is correct, as usual.
I'd just add that the practice also puts a lot of strain on the edge. I wouldn't invert any cymbal that didn't have a perfectly smooth edge.
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teethmeister
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Posted - 07/04/2013 : 00:26:57
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The Man Bettis has a good point. One that I hadn't thought of.quote:
Originally posted by mbettis
Matt Nolan is correct, as usual.
I'd just add that the practice also puts a lot of strain on the edge. I wouldn't invert any cymbal that didn't have a perfectly smooth edge.
Matt
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benjisonfire
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Posted - 07/04/2013 : 17:58:52
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quote:
Originally posted by mbettis
Matt Nolan is correct, as usual.
I'd just add that the practice also puts a lot of strain on the edge. I wouldn't invert any cymbal that didn't have a perfectly smooth edge.
Matt
Matt, What a pleasure to have you on the site! Welcome to the Forum. I'm a big fan of your work, have played one some of your rides. definitely on the wish list! |
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mbettis
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Posted - 07/04/2013 : 20:04:26
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Thanks, Benji!
Matt Nolan has been doing an excellent job here of representing independent cymbalsmithery.
However, he has fallen short in all aspects of walking around in white tennis shoes at all times, talking much too loudly, and generally being fat, rude, and obnoxious.
I have brought my Yank Sensibilities to your forum in order to put that right.
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Glide
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Posted - 08/04/2013 : 09:59:24
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quote:
Originally posted by mbettis
Thanks, Benji!
Matt Nolan has been doing an excellent job here of representing independent cymbalsmithery.
However, he has fallen short in all aspects of walking around in white tennis shoes at all times, talking much too loudly, and generally being fat, rude, and obnoxious.
I have brought my Yank Sensibilities to your forum in order to put that right.
Matt
So, It's "Death to all" then, Mr Bettis ? 
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mbettis
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