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shakeyjakey
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United Kingdom
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 Posted - 25/07/2012 : 21:30:29
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| does anyone get on with them? I use a 22, but a mate of mine has a huge kit with two 24s and I honestly can't stand them. No punch whatsoever, it's like playing a sack of potatoes despite the fact that we have both spent hours trying to get them to sound right. Is there a trick to it? Something we're missing? Perhaps a particular head would work better? |
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luke3030
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/07/2012 : 21:32:07
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| Love em - have 6 of them (picked up another tonight too!). They take a tad more tuning but thats about it. |
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Badman_batman
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
667 Posts |
Posted - 25/07/2012 : 21:59:38
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Booooooooom I love them. Big sound
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brushbaby
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
643 Posts |
Posted - 25/07/2012 : 22:26:26
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| Don't have one but have played plenty, love them tone wise but they do take up a bit of room. To be honest I'd love a 26 or 28 just for that 30s vibe. |
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flurbs
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/07/2012 : 22:40:57
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Originally posted by shakeyjakey
No punch whatsoever, it's like playing a sack of potatoes ...
Sounds to me like a drum/head/tuning/setup problem rather than anything specific to the size. (Sorry). |
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hovlanddrums
New Contributer
USA
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Posted - 26/07/2012 : 00:05:17
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| All drums in our little magical drumming universe should never go out of tune and sound great for all time. Back to reality. Are said bass drums quality drums? Are the bearing edges true? Too much muffling? Not enough muffling? Air holes in front heads? No air holes? ect...you get the point.Have you tried clear Remo power stroke 3`s or smooth white power stroke 3`s on pedal side? or a thin non coated head on the resonant side? You tend to get more punch from the smooth whites.I played a 24" for years and it plays much slower than my current 22". 22`s are always punchier ,that`s just the way the cookie crumbles. Good Luck! <>KH |
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lee haydn
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 26/07/2012 : 01:01:45
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| There is definitely an issue with the right heads being used here, no punch? jeez, what is the depth of the 24" in question? i'm sure the optimum depth for a 24" is a 14" shell, TBH, i think any bass drum sounds good with a 14" depth, providing it has good heads and tuned right, take the front head off altogether and tell me it has no punch,, |
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OriginalAnimal
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 26/07/2012 : 07:20:30
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Try a 28" with vellum heads, stand in front and you hear very little, stand thirty feet away and it rearranges your internal organs |
I have no time to practice, I'm gigging. Leicester Drum Sniffers Anonymous. #17 of the 582 & 17 0f the 798 World Record Holders.
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shakeyjakey
Excellent Contributer
United Kingdom
189 Posts |
Posted - 26/07/2012 : 09:18:52
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The drums are very good, it's the trivium drummer's old european tour kit apparently, a high end DDrum, and the rest of the kit sound amazing. We just can't get the bass drums right.
Anyway I've had another look at them and it turns out that my friend that owns them has glued acoustic foam onto the inside of both shells. I'm really not sure why he's done it. It would explain the problem though.
I'm on strike until he sorts it out! (He isn't actually a drummer which is why I've been helping him tune his kit) |
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Captain Bubble
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 26/07/2012 : 10:00:35
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It is true of all instruments that the smaller they are the faster they "speak" and the more "defined" the tone tends to be. Bigger ones tend to have a fuller, deeper tone but less definition...OA is very right about Concert and Orchestral bass drums too!
I use clear Emperors on my 24" inch bass drums, and the only muffling is a folded over ring of thin felt stuck with double-sided tape to the bearing edge so it only contacts the outer 2 mm of the batter head, right by the bearing edge, then yellow dusting cloths hang vertically from each batter hoop at about 1/3 of the head's diameter. The cloths are clipped onto each hoop with plastic electrical cable cleats, and only touch very loosely against the head. The two systems tame the harmonics just enough, but leave the full boom tone. I make beater impact pads with three 2" discs of old drum head, stuck together (and onto the head) with double-sided tape. This gives enough impact definition without becoming too clicky. I use wood beaters for maximum definition, but I have added patches of suede and fake fur to them so that I can rotate the beaters for softer tones when wanted. |
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Allegro
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 26/07/2012 : 11:08:33
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Try a 28" with vellum heads, stand in front and you hear very little, stand thirty feet away and it rearranges your internal organs
That's what I use as a concert/orchestral bass drum, although it is supposed to be a marching bass drum. |
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rockdrummerzero
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United Kingdom
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christianmurphy
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
534 Posts |
Posted - 27/07/2012 : 12:17:06
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20" does it for me. Easier on the back, in the van, slightly easier for tuning.
24s have their sound. Most of the time the problem is people trying to get a tight punchy sound, which a 24" kick isn't made for. You can do it and get a nice balance, but it's still a bigger, boomier drum. That's what I love about 24s/26s. It pains me to see huge kicks stuffed with as much as a double duvet to try and turn it into a tame punchy kick, that would be so much easier with a 20" and an EMAD.
Go for big boomy 24" kick sound, then put a bit of dampening in it, e.g. small pillow that just about touches the bottom of both heads. |
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jon kelly
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United Kingdom
471 Posts |
Posted - 27/07/2012 : 13:37:57
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hers my take on it, put a standard ambassador on the batter side then a pinstripe with a 4 inch port on the resonant side take the batter tuning up til you get a note its about one turn above wrinkle, then tune the reso side slightly above the batter and then put a soft bath towel rolled up just touching the batter. Leave the resonant free to vibrate no damping at all, bigger diametre drums will give more definition with a higher tuning ortherwise they sound flat, but it depends on the drum as well. Ian Paice tuning is front head wrinkles out, batter wrinkles out then half a turn up, so low resonant higher batter tuning its somewhere within these parameters, just fiddle around to find were it sounds best.quote:
Originally posted by shakeyjakey
does anyone get on with them? I use a 22, but a mate of mine has a huge kit with two 24s and I honestly can't stand them. No punch whatsoever, it's like playing a sack of potatoes despite the fact that we have both spent hours trying to get them to sound right. Is there a trick to it? Something we're missing? Perhaps a particular head would work better?
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shakeyjakey
Excellent Contributer
United Kingdom
189 Posts |
Posted - 27/07/2012 : 16:53:26
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| Thanks for the advice everyone, after a change of heads to clear EMAD's and a lot of fiddling the drums sound much better. Boomy, but not too boomy, and VERY loud. I think the main problem was he said he was trying to get a similar sound to that of my 22" and the drums just weren't having any of it. After looking at your replies I convinced him to go for a different sound and they now sound great. You can feel the amount of air they're shifting from the other side of the room! |
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Tex
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
1582 Posts |
Posted - 27/07/2012 : 17:05:14
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| Google "Ocheltree + John Bonham + tuning" or look on Utube for same. Good vid on the bass drum tuning and muffling that 24". |
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TVH Lew
New Contributer
United Kingdom
9 Posts |
Posted - 29/07/2012 : 17:05:37
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I agree with using the right size drum and setup for the sound you want.
On my 24x14, I use a coated powerstroke 4 on the batter side with a smooth white powerstroke 3 on the reso. No muffling inside, no port, the heads themselves five me the perfect amount of control. Single pedal with a falam patch and wood beater. Lovely! |
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Wannabedrummer
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United Kingdom
777 Posts |
Posted - 30/07/2012 : 15:15:58
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| Rockdrummerzero: "...always suprises me how much difference 2" makes"...Tee hee, made me chuckle, that did... |
Tama (well, a badge on the bass), Zildjian, Grandad-made tambourine, Premier HD heads (8 years old now, and still going strong). Could do with lessons! http://s872.photobucket.com/albums/ab285/AnthonyOConnell/My%20Drum%20Kit/ |
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scottser
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Ireland
95 Posts |
Posted - 03/08/2012 : 12:04:00
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| i've got 2! a lovely premier artist maple and gretsch catalina rock in mahogony, both 24x18. i'm strung out for for that big, 70's soft punch with that delicious after-boom you only get from a 24" kick. once you go 24, you don't go back! |
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