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jimfisher
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mully
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 Posted - 29/07/2012 : 16:11:25
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That's utterly splendid!
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Captain Bubble
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Prog
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Posted - 29/07/2012 : 17:37:14
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| Good work. Was the 10" previously a concert tom or did Sonor make them with offset lugs? |
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jimfisher
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 29/07/2012 : 18:29:55
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ta!
The 10" was a concert tom, so I had Carrera drums cut a bottom edge, great job they did too.
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Captain Bubble
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Posted - 29/07/2012 : 18:43:18
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Great company, Carrera!
Sonor did make some smaller toms with offset lugs, but I have only seen them with the earlier lugs which were more curved and pointy than the 70s "Ingots". |
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FenTiger
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Posted - 29/07/2012 : 21:04:10
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Nicely done 
Would I be right in guessing that, being slightly later, the 15" tom has Snap-lock tension rods and inserts? |
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gaz farrimond
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Posted - 29/07/2012 : 21:56:57
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Nicely done
Would I be right in guessing that, being slightly later, the 15" tom has Snap-lock tension rods and inserts?
Easy enough to check, just get the 3 digit date stamps from inside the shell.
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FenTiger
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Posted - 29/07/2012 : 22:27:22
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Originally posted by FenTiger
Nicely done
Would I be right in guessing that, being slightly later, the 15" tom has Snap-lock tension rods and inserts?
Easy enough to check, just get the 3 digit date stamps from inside the shell.
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martydrums
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Posted - 30/07/2012 : 09:28:33
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Nice work Jim Your kit appears to have been Tangoed 
What did you do about the holes left by the original tom mountings? |
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jimfisher
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Posted - 30/07/2012 : 10:00:24
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Tangoed!
All lugs have snap locs, as they left the factory in the late 70s. It feels great to play this kit, I love the sound and feel of these heavy Sonor shells. They are so lively under the sticks.
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jimfisher
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Posted - 30/07/2012 : 10:03:03
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I left the original holes, just wrapped over them.
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martydrums
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Posted - 30/07/2012 : 12:01:46
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| ^ Phonics is quality tubs. Glad to hear you are enjoying them Jim. What heads did you go with? |
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jimfisher
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Posted - 30/07/2012 : 13:06:02
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Coated ambs top, clear bottoms, I really like the warm complexity that a coated head brings, & it has to be single ply, for the vitality of the sound. Kick will probably end up with a 4" port, and a hazy Evans EQ3 batter. They really do sound fabulous, I'll see about a sound byte sometime soon.
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Bazarre
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Posted - 30/07/2012 : 14:25:00
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| That looks blumin' gorgeous. Loving the tom sizes. |
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martydrums
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Posted - 01/08/2012 : 11:14:39
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Jim, I have a "left over" bit of 13" phonic shell if you want it for cost or postage. I turned a 13" Phonic Plus orphan in to a snare a while ago and have this other slice of shell still knocking about somewhere. It has had the wrap removed (not expertly) and has no hardware. It is the end of the shell that had the mounting hardware on it, so has those holes.
The snare I did is roughly done but ended up sounding rather good. I considered sending it to Dave Carrera to get a proper bearing edge put on the reso side as I did this edge entirely by hand. I'm worried it might make him burst a lung laughing at it when he sees it though |
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swampy
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Posted - 02/08/2012 : 08:45:44
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| Wheres the wrap from, I like it! |
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jimfisher
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Posted - 03/08/2012 : 11:28:10
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Originally posted by martydrums
Jim, I have a "left over" bit of 13" phonic shell if you want it for cost or postage. I turned a 13" Phonic Plus orphan in to a snare a while ago and have this other slice of shell still knocking about somewhere. It has had the wrap removed (not expertly) and has no hardware. It is the end of the shell that had the mounting hardware on it, so has those holes.
The snare I did is roughly done but ended up sounding rather good. I considered sending it to Dave Carrera to get a proper bearing edge put on the reso side as I did this edge entirely by hand. I'm worried it might make him burst a lung laughing at it when he sees it though
much appreciated - pm sent!
cheers,
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jimfisher
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jimfisher
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Posted - 03/08/2012 : 12:12:40
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Originally posted by martydrums
Jim, I have a "left over" bit of 13" phonic shell if you want it for cost or postage. I turned a 13" Phonic Plus orphan in to a snare a while ago and have this other slice of shell still knocking about somewhere. It has had the wrap removed (not expertly) and has no hardware. It is the end of the shell that had the mounting hardware on it, so has those holes.
The snare I did is roughly done but ended up sounding rather good. I considered sending it to Dave Carrera to get a proper bearing edge put on the reso side as I did this edge entirely by hand. I'm worried it might make him burst a lung laughing at it when he sees it though
lovely - got any pics of the snare? How does it sound?
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swampy
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jimfisher
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Posted - 03/08/2012 : 14:17:58
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Originally posted by jimfisher
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Originally posted by swampy
Wheres the wrap from, I like it!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221029867286?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_1433wt_1163
Whats the quality of the wrap like? is it up to the job?
Well it's my first wrap job, I'd say it's excellent for what it is, but you'd get better results by removing the old wrap, sanding, then applying the proper thick wrap. This thin stuff on top of the old wrap is easier, probably cheaper, but more prone to a wrinkly finish.
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martydrums
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Posted - 03/08/2012 : 14:29:50
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@ Jim.
PM received. Will come back to you.
Photos: some somewhere, will try and dig them out.
Sound: hmm I would say it has a loud crack to it and rimshots sound good. It is perhaps lacking a bit in the subtleties department though. It has 16 wire pure sounds on at the moment. Might try experimenting by broadening the snare bed a touch and going with a wider set of Canopus wires at some stage (having great results with Canopus on my two 14" drums) |
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martydrums
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jimfisher
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Posted - 04/08/2012 : 09:10:29
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nice, it certainly looks the part, what was involved for the re-finishing?
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swampy
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Posted - 04/08/2012 : 09:53:50
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| I've seen those wrapse on the bay, just wondering about the quality of them? |
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DoglegSniff
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Posted - 06/08/2012 : 20:19:05
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I've seen those wrapse on the bay, just wondering about the quality of them?
I've used the very same tangerine wrap on some old Prems, but I put some of the ST drums cheap white wrap on first, then the tango over that. Holds up well, looks great under lights ...looked so good that I've got some of the emerald stuff sitting around to go on my old Bevs. |
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martydrums
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Posted - 06/08/2012 : 22:18:00
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Originally posted by jimfisher
nice, it certainly looks the part, what was involved for the re-finishing?
JF
Rather a lot of elbow grease was required. I think when Sonor glued the original wrap on they intended for it to last at least 1000 years. There was quite a bit of glue left on the shell and I basically just sanded it down. Then gave it a few coats of oil, rubbing down with 000 steel wool in between and a final polish up with a soft cloth. |
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jimfisher
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Posted - 06/08/2012 : 22:39:39
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I thought as much - it would be loads of work for a full kit, I may do it one day when I get bored of the wrap though.
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jimfisher
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Posted - 10/08/2012 : 19:34:46
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A huge thanks to Martydrums! Got the shell today, much appreciated.
Cheers,
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Captain Bubble
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martydrums
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Posted - 13/08/2012 : 12:55:39
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A huge thanks to Martydrums! Got the shell today, much appreciated.
Cheers,
JF
Glad it got to you OK. Happy sanding |
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jon kelly
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Posted - 02/11/2012 : 17:12:57
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https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-rQnFzDAbnxs/UBUJ3lwrzNI/AAAAAAAABU0/aJNuU-pun18/s756/2012-07-29
sparkly! 20x14, 10x6.5, 12x8, 15x12, all on RIMS. Sounds great! Really loud, punchy, and singing. All 70s 9-ply beech Sonor shells, expect the snare which is a German beech stave shell, 13x5.5.
J.
I remember going to a Lloydd Ryan clinic in Liverpool about 1983 and the kit was a Sonor phonic kit in power sizes, supplied by Brian Healey of Acme drum co, i was amazed how well it projected really great, bass drum was a 22x16, it was earth shattering, i should have bought it but didnt have the groats at the time, i think that kit is probably one of, if not the best and loudest kits ive ever heard. |
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Jon Petersen
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Posted - 03/11/2012 : 22:42:00
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I've used the very same tangerine wrap on some old Prems, but I put some of the ST drums cheap white wrap on first, then the tango over that. Holds up well, looks great under lights ...looked so good that I've got some of the emerald stuff sitting around to go on my old Bevs.
Sounds like a brillant idea!
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martydrums
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Posted - 04/11/2012 : 17:03:38
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Originally posted by jimfisher
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-rQnFzDAbnxs/UBUJ3lwrzNI/AAAAAAAABU0/aJNuU-pun18/s756/2012-07-29
I remember going to a Lloydd Ryan clinic in Liverpool about 1983 and the kit was a Sonor phonic kit in power sizes, supplied by Brian Healey of Acme drum co, i was amazed how well it projected really great, bass drum was a 22x16, it was earth shattering, i should have bought it but didnt have the groats at the time, i think that kit is probably one of, if not the best and loudest kits ive ever heard.
The Phonic kits were "standard" sizes. If it had deep toms and bass drum then more likely a Phonic Plus. I played a Phonic Plus kit for about 20 years. A 22" bass drum would have been 18" deep, rack toms "square" sizes and floor toms actually deeper than the head diameter (16" was 18" deep and the monster 18" floor was 19" deep)
If the sizes of the kit were in between "standard" and Phonic Plus then most likely a Sonor Lite kit. |
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jon kelly
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Posted - 05/11/2012 : 22:38:33
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Originally posted by jon kelly
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Originally posted by jimfisher
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-rQnFzDAbnxs/UBUJ3lwrzNI/AAAAAAAABU0/aJNuU-pun18/s756/2012-07-29
I remember going to a Lloydd Ryan clinic in Liverpool about 1983 and the kit was a Sonor phonic kit in power sizes, supplied by Brian Healey of Acme drum co, i was amazed how well it projected really great, bass drum was a 22x16, it was earth shattering, i should have bought it but didnt have the groats at the time, i think that kit is probably one of, if not the best and loudest kits ive ever heard.
The Phonic kits were "standard" sizes. If it had deep toms and bass drum then more likely a Phonic Plus. I played a Phonic Plus kit for about 20 years. A 22" bass drum would have been 18" deep, rack toms "square" sizes and floor toms actually deeper than the head diameter (16" was 18" deep and the monster 18" floor was 19" deep)
If the sizes of the kit were in between "standard" and Phonic Plus then most likely a Sonor Lite kit.
the rack toms were power sizes the bass drum was 22x16 and the floor tom 16x16 |
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jon kelly
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Posted - 05/11/2012 : 22:42:22
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Originally posted by jon kelly
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Originally posted by jimfisher
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-rQnFzDAbnxs/UBUJ3lwrzNI/AAAAAAAABU0/aJNuU-pun18/s756/2012-07-29
I remember going to a Lloydd Ryan clinic in Liverpool about 1983 and the kit was a Sonor phonic kit in power sizes, supplied by Brian Healey of Acme drum co, i was amazed how well it projected really great, bass drum was a 22x16, it was earth shattering, i should have bought it but didnt have the groats at the time, i think that kit is probably one of, if not the best and loudest kits ive ever heard.
The Phonic kits were "standard" sizes. If it had deep toms and bass drum then more likely a Phonic Plus. I played a Phonic Plus kit for about 20 years. A 22" bass drum would have been 18" deep, rack toms "square" sizes and floor toms actually deeper than the head diameter (16" was 18" deep and the monster 18" floor was 19" deep)
If the sizes of the kit were in between "standard" and Phonic Plus then most likely a Sonor Lite kit.
it was definately a phonic with thick beech shells, hence the great punch, in red flash and they were the exact sizes, 1983, the kit may have been earlier, not sure when they were out. |
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