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jon kelly
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 Posted - 07/08/2012 : 17:39:22
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| These drums are hand crafted by Dave Quinn, he recently made me a replica Supraphonic 402 shell, i asked him to make the shell slightly thicker which took it from 1.8mm to 2.0mm. Not only did the drum look the same as the old one but it sounds better, my jaw hit the deck, the mans work is brilliant there is nothing he cant do. Guys you want to check out his snares and kits, he really is brilliant at what he does no s..t. I cannot get over how good this snare drum is so if any wants to see it ask me and i will send you some pics. Put it this way i bought a brand new ludwig 402 this year and Daves shell leaves it in a melted blob on the floor awsome, think on!!!! |
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MustangMick
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jon kelly
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Posted - 07/08/2012 : 17:59:05
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its welded but no dead spot whatsoever, even the old Acrolites were welded and they sound blinding welds dont mean jack...t., in fact they can add to a drums tone.quote:
Originally posted by MustangMick
Is the shell Spun (Drawn) or welded?
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MustangMick
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Posted - 07/08/2012 : 18:02:54
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Originally posted by jon kelly
its welded but no dead spot whatsoever, even the old Acrolites were welded and they sound blinding welds dont mean jack...t., in fact they can add to a drums tone.quote:
Originally posted by MustangMick
Is the shell Spun (Drawn) or welded?
Mick
The Acrolites were a Seamless shell, same shell as (Ludalloy) 400s without the Chrome finish. If it's a welded shell it ain't a replica of an Acrolite/400. Not that there is anything wrong with welded shells, just pointing things out. Echo make nice drums.
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jon kelly
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/08/2012 : 18:09:59
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The very early Acros were definately welded theres a ludwig site by a guy called Slinkz he has detailed pictures of one i assure you, hes an authority on Supras.quote:
Originally posted by MustangMick
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Originally posted by jon kelly
its welded but no dead spot whatsoever, even the old Acrolites were welded and they sound blinding welds dont mean jack...t., in fact they can add to a drums tone.quote:
Originally posted by MustangMick
Is the shell Spun (Drawn) or welded?
Mick
The Acrolites were a Seamless shell, same shell as (Ludalloy) 400s without the Chrome finish. If it's a welded shell it ain't a replica of an Acrolite/400. Not that there is anything wrong with welded shells, just pointing things out. Echo make nice drums.
Mick
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jon kelly
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/08/2012 : 18:16:44
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I look at it this way, many of the early Black Beautys were a welded brass shell agreed??? then the 400 prior to the supraphonic was guess what, welded. if someone can make me a shell based on an old style manufactured Ludwig shell then i am more than happy, it even has the rolled over bearing edges, but the sound is outstanding and i put the old hardware back on, just looks the same as the old boy, just sounds better, you wouldnt believe it, i should know ive been playing em long enough.quote:
Originally posted by jon kelly
The very early Acros were definately welded theres a ludwig site by a guy called Slinkz he has detailed pictures of one i assure you, hes an authority on Supras.quote:
Originally posted by MustangMick
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Originally posted by jon kelly
its welded but no dead spot whatsoever, even the old Acrolites were welded and they sound blinding welds dont mean jack...t., in fact they can add to a drums tone.quote:
Originally posted by MustangMick
Is the shell Spun (Drawn) or welded?
Mick
The Acrolites were a Seamless shell, same shell as (Ludalloy) 400s without the Chrome finish. If it's a welded shell it ain't a replica of an Acrolite/400. Not that there is anything wrong with welded shells, just pointing things out. Echo make nice drums.
Mick
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FenTiger
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flurbs
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Posted - 07/08/2012 : 18:55:00
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quote:
Originally posted by jon kelly
The very early Acros were definately welded...
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AFAIK, Acro's were always a cheaper drum using the Supra shell for school use. Supra shells were always spun.
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Originally posted by jon kelly
I look at it this way, many of the early Black Beautys were a welded brass shell agreed???
Yes, but they weren't rolled and welded in the way that modern drums are referenced. Ludwig welded Black Beauty shells were spun in two parts (top and bottom) and then welded together in the middle. This is a totally different construction to current 'welded' shells which start as a long rectangular sheet, rolled up into a cylinder and then welded top-to-bottom to maintain the join.
Rolled/welded shells are not better/worse than spun shells, just different. If you prefer the Echo shell then that is the one for you. I think Micks point is that Echo didn't make you a replica 402 shell, as a replica 402 shell would need to be made in the same way otherwise it wouldn't/couldn't be a replica, rather it is an alternative... |
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jon kelly
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Posted - 07/08/2012 : 19:06:07
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pre serial acros some were welded get on Slinkz site there is a link somewhere as for the info on old Ludwig shells i know about the two halves welded together ive got the book, i gave Dave the original shell apart from the weld its as near as ive ever seen, its sound is brilliant i have a new one and its not as good, but still great if that makes sense. I know of the manufacturing techniques with \ludwig but even they changed over the years the sound out of this drum is fat, dry, warm and has that same Ludwig tonal sonic sound, i admit its not a Supra but you cant tell side by side but its sound is stunning, a bit like a copy of a strat guitar, ive heard some copy guitars sound better than originals, same deal here.quote:
Originally posted by flurbs
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Originally posted by jon kelly
The very early Acros were definately welded...
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AFAIK, Acro's were always a cheaper drum using the Supra shell for school use. Supra shells were always spun.
quote:
Originally posted by jon kelly
I look at it this way, many of the early Black Beautys were a welded brass shell agreed???
Yes, but they weren't rolled and welded in the way that modern drums are referenced. Ludwig welded Black Beauty shells were spun in two parts (top and bottom) and then welded together in the middle. This is a totally different construction to current 'welded' shells which start as a long rectangular sheet, rolled up into a cylinder and then welded top-to-bottom to maintain the join.
Rolled/welded shells are not better/worse than spun shells, just different. If you prefer the Echo shell then that is the one for you. I think Micks point is that Echo didn't make you a replica 402 shell, as a replica 402 shell would need to be made in the same way otherwise it wouldn't/couldn't be a replica, rather it is an alternative...
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Spart
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Posted - 07/08/2012 : 20:37:31
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Good Evening,
Very pleased to read of your praise for Echo. I shall be placing an order with him very soon, Copper 14x5, ten lugger, raw finish. I plan to let the patina develop here in the bog, mucho oxygen y dampo, then wax finish. I am hoping for something dark and dry, somewhat like the wife's sense of humour.
Rather looking forward to the build now...
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monkeythedrummer
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/08/2012 : 20:44:50
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That's great - what kind of edges does it have?
I'm planning on making a kit out of aluminium using Echo - with aluminium lugs and hoops.
I've heard only good things about them! 
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jon kelly
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/08/2012 : 20:51:05
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The edges are the deep drawn rolled over like the 402, 400 Dave managed to get them same as quite rounded quote:
Originally posted by monkeythedrummer
That's great - what kind of edges does it have?
I'm planning on making a kit out of aluminium using Echo - with aluminium lugs and hoops.
I've heard only good things about them!
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jon kelly
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/08/2012 : 20:53:00
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nice one you wont be disapointed his work is stunning.quote:
Originally posted by Spart
Good Evening,
Very pleased to read of your praise for Echo. I shall be placing an order with him very soon, Copper 14x5, ten lugger, raw finish. I plan to let the patina develop here in the bog, mucho oxygen y dampo, then wax finish. I am hoping for something dark and dry, somewhat like the wife's sense of humour.
Rather looking forward to the build now...
Spart
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luke3030
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/08/2012 : 23:37:03
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| Idea of price for your drum Jon? |
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Mcmaul
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/08/2012 : 01:24:44
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| Dave is literally across the road from me and andy perfect, he does seamless spun shells, too, hybrids of stainless, ali, copper and brass an all. |
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jon kelly
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United Kingdom
474 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2012 : 07:39:39
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Yeah mate just the shell 130 no hardware Dave is at top guy.quote:
Originally posted by luke3030
Idea of price for your drum Jon?
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sdx
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 09/08/2012 : 19:14:46
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quote:
Originally posted by jon kelly
pre serial acros some were welded get on Slinkz site there is a link somewhere as for the info on old Ludwig shells i know about the two halves welded together ive got the book, i gave Dave the original shell apart from the weld its as near as ive ever seen, its sound is brilliant i have a new one and its not as good, but still great if that makes sense. I know of the manufacturing techniques with \ludwig but even they changed over the years the sound out of this drum is fat, dry, warm and has that same Ludwig tonal sonic sound, i admit its not a Supra but you cant tell side by side but its sound is stunning, a bit like a copy of a strat guitar, ive heard some copy guitars sound better than originals, same deal here.quote:
Originally posted by flurbs
quote:
Originally posted by jon kelly
The very early Acros were definately welded...
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AFAIK, Acro's were always a cheaper drum using the Supra shell for school use. Supra shells were always spun.
quote:
Originally posted by jon kelly
I look at it this way, many of the early Black Beautys were a welded brass shell agreed???
Yes, but they weren't rolled and welded in the way that modern drums are referenced. Ludwig welded Black Beauty shells were spun in two parts (top and bottom) and then welded together in the middle. This is a totally different construction to current 'welded' shells which start as a long rectangular sheet, rolled up into a cylinder and then welded top-to-bottom to maintain the join.
Rolled/welded shells are not better/worse than spun shells, just different. If you prefer the Echo shell then that is the one for you. I think Micks point is that Echo didn't make you a replica 402 shell, as a replica 402 shell would need to be made in the same way otherwise it wouldn't/couldn't be a replica, rather it is an alternative...
I actually own the Acrolite Slinkz rebuilt which he had on his site. |
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jon kelly
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United Kingdom
474 Posts |
Posted - 10/08/2012 : 06:29:25
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nice one, av a look and see if its welded mate i know some early ones were.quote:
Originally posted by sdx
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Originally posted by jon kelly
pre serial acros some were welded get on Slinkz site there is a link somewhere as for the info on old Ludwig shells i know about the two halves welded together ive got the book, i gave Dave the original shell apart from the weld its as near as ive ever seen, its sound is brilliant i have a new one and its not as good, but still great if that makes sense. I know of the manufacturing techniques with \ludwig but even they changed over the years the sound out of this drum is fat, dry, warm and has that same Ludwig tonal sonic sound, i admit its not a Supra but you cant tell side by side but its sound is stunning, a bit like a copy of a strat guitar, ive heard some copy guitars sound better than originals, same deal here.quote:
Originally posted by flurbs
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Originally posted by jon kelly
The very early Acros were definately welded...
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AFAIK, Acro's were always a cheaper drum using the Supra shell for school use. Supra shells were always spun.
quote:
Originally posted by jon kelly
I look at it this way, many of the early Black Beautys were a welded brass shell agreed???
Yes, but they weren't rolled and welded in the way that modern drums are referenced. Ludwig welded Black Beauty shells were spun in two parts (top and bottom) and then welded together in the middle. This is a totally different construction to current 'welded' shells which start as a long rectangular sheet, rolled up into a cylinder and then welded top-to-bottom to maintain the join.
Rolled/welded shells are not better/worse than spun shells, just different. If you prefer the Echo shell then that is the one for you. I think Micks point is that Echo didn't make you a replica 402 shell, as a replica 402 shell would need to be made in the same way otherwise it wouldn't/couldn't be a replica, rather it is an alternative...
I actually own the Acrolite Slinkz rebuilt which he had on his site.
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sdx
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