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Drumheduk
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United Kingdom
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 Posted - 25/04/2012 : 21:11:43
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Yes you can do it, I once got draughted into a pro function band as their drummer was too busy, the drummer was Rob Brian, blinking huge boots to fill, for several months I was totally out of my depth but playing in such a great band brought my playing on so much farther than I would have got on their own.
Most importantly, ask the guys you are with, most people are way too sel critical, they may be loving what you are doing.
I know more than one band who have been deeply unhappy after an "ordinary" drummer left them to be replaced with a technique heavy monster player, sometimes simplicity wins. |
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bERb
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
2334 Posts |
Posted - 25/04/2012 : 21:16:09
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I teach in Byth mate if you ever want a really relaxed lesson. Sometimes just having someone look at how your sitting, stick grip, playing style, etc, can really help your playing - it has helped mine a lot. MSG me at domjmurphy AT gmail DOT COM if you want and we could have a chat. It doesn't have to be all about rudiments and stuff but we could just look at some other interesting ways to give you more scope on the kit.
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The Geordie contingency. I feel sorry for people who don't drink because when they get up in the morning that's as good as they're gonna feel all day!. dw, yammy x2 ,TD8, sabian,zildjian,paiste, protection racket.stella artois, red wine, gin & tonic (lots). |
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halfDeadMuffinMan
Very Active Contributer
United Kingdom
95 Posts |
Posted - 26/04/2012 : 00:19:55
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Yes Bob, I don't think you realise that you know me!
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alanharvey
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
438 Posts |
Posted - 26/04/2012 : 05:41:09
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Originally posted by Yard
Mere observations of mine over the years is that drumming has changed considerably in all aspects.
When I began playing along to records it was all about enjoying yourself and now it seems to be about 'pushing boundaries' (whatever that means)?
Get a kit,get in a band with your mates and just play.Forget about chops because if you can't swing you don't get a gig.
But most importantly you have to know your limits which will deter you from frustration.I wanted to be Rodney Marsh/Stan Bowles as a kid..it wasn't going to happen so I settled for Pele.
The best drummers in the world get gigs not for their chops but for their ability to listen,play what is needed and then shut it!!
Wise words indeed.
(not the bit about Bowles/Marsh)
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I should have grown out of this by now.
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stakka
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
2592 Posts |
Posted - 26/04/2012 : 09:43:47
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Different ways to learn to drum suit different people but the feel I get when you look to be "working your way through a book" is that you may be trying to get to a certain place by a very specific route - i.e. following a structured path.
Now this works very well for a large number of people - but I know it does't work for me as an individual. I started drums learning by myself and then got ok enough to join a band. A weekly practice with them and semi regular gigs has made a fantastic and hugely enjoyable difference to my life. I can now play comfortably and keep reasonable time for a 2 - 3 hour gig, I don't do anything too flash - partly because I can't and partly because I don't have to. It is very enjoyable and therefore I have never even dreamed of wanting to throw in the towel.
But as for learning, teaching and getting better I have taken the option of having the odd lesson here and there to just complement my drumming rather than me looking for a very direct and structured way to learn to play the drums. Yes, someone that takes that "learn properly from the start and follow the path" approach is going to end up a far far better drummer than me - but to me my journey had already started and I was already enjoying myself so why try and fix something that ain't bust. I may be wrong but could it be this trying to follow a too direct route is the base of your problems because you are finding some very specific things an obstacle and therefore have become demoralised - even though some of those roadblocks are trying to learn something that you may not even necessarily need to know.
Maybe try what I do - I look at my playing with the band and then realise there are certain things that I can't do which would be nice to incorporate in my day to day playing to take me to the next level.
I then have the benefit of being near James Hester (Slingerland of this Forum) and I get in touch, nip down to see him and he listens to what I am trying to improve and then gives me a specific lesson to help me. I come away with something to try and look forward to having it improve my playing as a band. He is a top teacher and would also be my teacher of choice if I was just starting out and wanted him to guide me from the very basics and through a very structured learning path - but in all honesty I can't put the hours in, and already have too much going on in order to do that and give it the credit / attention it deserves. I see him from time to time, he never gives me bull about I should be seeing him every week and doing this that or the other.... he is there when needed. End result is I am very happy...... and I am too engrossed in enjoying this stuff to notice if he is 
So... follow what you enjoy, get hooked up with a teacher that is sensitive to where you want to be......... but make sure you focus your drumming time on the bits you find enjoyable...... and pick that fecking towel up now !  |
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Andy P
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Posted - 26/04/2012 : 10:02:08
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With regard to teachers, it is not true that good teachers necessarily have to be the most fantastic drummers - just as some of the best football coaches were not the most prolific or gifted players. What good teacher CAN do though, is analyse playing, see areas for improvement, recognise strengths and weaknesses and then recommend actions to improve. This applies in any teaching or coaching role, not just teaching.
Anyway, BB, just stick at it - you're progressing at a helluva rate so it seems. I've been playing for 30 years, never been a rudiments man, don't even know what they're called in most cases, but it's not stopped me getting gigs and more to the point, enjoying myself.
Take a break from the academic side of it for a while, go find your favourite challenging drum part on a song, make that your goal to master it, then think of going back to a teacher.
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crafty
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
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Posted - 26/04/2012 : 10:41:50
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Originally posted by Drumheduk
Yes you can do it, I once got draughted into a pro function band as their drummer was too busy, the drummer was Rob Brian, blinking huge boots to fill, for several months I was totally out of my depth but playing in such a great band brought my playing on so much farther than I would have got on their own.
Most importantly, ask the guys you are with, most people are way too sel critical, they may be loving what you are doing.
I know more than one band who have been deeply unhappy after an "ordinary" drummer left them to be replaced with a technique heavy monster player, sometimes simplicity wins.
Just spoken to Rob. Things really taking off. Very excited for him. He deserves it. Great player and works VERY hard at it. Ed |
Super cool - and bongos too!
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Drumheduk
Excellent Contributer
United Kingdom
292 Posts |
Posted - 26/04/2012 : 20:15:30
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| Plus one of the nicest blokes on the drum scene, even with the red streak! And the ability to perform a drum solo of awe inspiring, jaw dropping virtuosity when so drunk he could barely get to the bar mid set up tut farmhouse one particularly memorable birthday gig. |
Yamaha MCAN,DW Hardware, Sabian, Pro rac
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bERb
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
2334 Posts |
Posted - 26/04/2012 : 23:07:48
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Originally posted by halfDeadMuffinMan
Yes Bob, I don't think you realise that you know me!
Ok, Who are you ?. |
The Geordie contingency. I feel sorry for people who don't drink because when they get up in the morning that's as good as they're gonna feel all day!. dw, yammy x2 ,TD8, sabian,zildjian,paiste, protection racket.stella artois, red wine, gin & tonic (lots). |
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Badman_batman
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United Kingdom
667 Posts |
Posted - 30/04/2012 : 17:29:18
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I just got a TEXT off the band that said, thanks but no thanks your not good enough
Its one of those were you feel yourself just go really hot all over and kinda stunned but to be honest a few people on here and friends said maybe its just not for you and the icing on the cake was the band basically agreed with them
Its gone and solidified exactly this topic, gutted i really am |
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halfDeadMuffinMan
Very Active Contributer
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30/04/2012 : 17:47:48
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Originally posted by Badman_batman
I just got a TEXT off the band that said, thanks but no thanks your not good enough
Its one of those were you feel yourself just go really hot all over and kinda stunned but to be honest a few people on here and friends said maybe its just not for you and the icing on the cake was the band basically agreed with them
Its gone and solidified exactly this topic, gutted i really am
Don't fret, take the experience away with you and carry on. Both better and worse players than you have parted ways with bands. To be honest, the situation you were in put you under a lot of pressure. You had to deliver at a level that you were not comfortable for yet. I have been exactly where you are before and it's hard to progress in a situation where you have are expected to play outside your comfort. Keep practising. Keep practising. Keep practising. You'll be amazed how fast you'll progress. |
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luke3030
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United Kingdom
12878 Posts |
Posted - 30/04/2012 : 19:05:22
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| you need a thick skin to be a muso. put it behind you and move on. sounds harsh, but no point in dwelling on it. |
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kruppers
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United Kingdom
197 Posts |
Posted - 30/04/2012 : 21:04:34
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you need a thick skin to be a muso. put it behind you and move on. sounds harsh, but no point in dwelling on it.
^ what Luke said. Its great to play with people who are better than you but if the gap is too big, its brutal and everyone gets fed up with it. Have been both ends of that spectrum. neither is good. Just think of it as the first layer of that skin.
I bought Stick Control by George Lawrence Stone last year. Try getting to page 13 in that one!! Blimey its hard. 30 mins of doing two or three exercises and your head is spinning. It helps with your technique but at the end of the day you have got to play music in bands. Technique stuff is what you do behind closed doors. Once you get it into your hands it may come out on stage, it might not. Dont sweat it. Find another band at your level, enjoy it and carry on your journey. |
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martydrums
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 30/04/2012 : 22:59:17
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I just got a TEXT off the band that said, thanks but no thanks your not good enough
Did they put it in exactly those words? |
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luke3030
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 30/04/2012 : 23:15:47
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| I doubt they did. |
WANTED: ANY GRETSCH RENOWN DRUMS/KITS IN SILVER OYSTER PEARL. |
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Badman_batman
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United Kingdom
667 Posts |
Posted - 01/05/2012 : 09:33:36
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It said " the and is moving in a different direction and you won't be able to move fast enough, we have have been doing this a longtime time and we need more experienced drummer to cut a ep"
I'm over it now anyway guys. If anything I am gratefull to them for givin me the opportunity to play with a band. It was probably for the best anyway ask was starting to stress out before the practices as I knew I couldn't deliver what they wanted.
I shall just keep banging away at those drums |
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StormBlast
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/05/2012 : 12:51:41
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| Just remember, there's no level you should be at. No matter how bad you (THINK YOU) may be, you're a whole lot better than the average joe on the street ;) |
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Badman_batman
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United Kingdom
667 Posts |
Posted - 01/05/2012 : 19:38:23
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| Thanks for the support guys, I will get there |
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OriginalAnimal
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/05/2012 : 21:18:13
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| Their loss BB, Keep on banging |
I have no time to practice, I'm gigging. Leicester Drum Sniffers Anonymous. #17 of the 582 & 17 0f the 798 World Record Holders.
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